To Conservative TFL members: Will you vote if Ron Paul is not nominated?

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Doug.38PR

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Will you even vote if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination? Or will you settle for business as usual by voting for John McCain or Rudy Guliani?

For me, I won't be voting at all.....in fact, I would be tempted to vote for a liberal democrat just to spite the Republicans (but I won't do that).

Why continue to play their (Republican party) little game being their pawns?
 
Let's say that people abstain from voting for a Romney or a Giuliani. How do you think Clinton or Obama will treat our gun rights?
 
I will still vote, but I will be voting for the best candidate, not just for the least distasteful. If a RINO like Guliani or McCain runs, I will pick an independent, or an alternate party candidate.

Failing in that, I will leave the Presidential vote blank, and vote the rest of the ballot the same way. I will not vote for a Republican again, simply to keep a Dem out of office. I will only vote for the republican if he is the best man (or woman) for the job.
 
Let's say that people abstain from voting for a Romney or a Giuliani. How do you think Clinton or Obama will treat our gun rights?
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You people used to really tick me off, now I just marvel at how natural selection has been removed from the human race.

Giualini and Romney would be absolutely NO BETTER on gun rights than Clinton or Obama.
 
I hate to say it but if a Dem gets elected I think we are screwed. It's a sure bet we will see another ban if that is the case. With all the crap on the tube about Ron Paul and the last debate it seems he has been labeled a nut job and has little chance of getting elected. It's to bad if that is the case because this country needs someone like him that follows the constitution to get back on track. I am still hoping for Fred Thompson but I'm not holding my breath. A lot can happen between now and the election so I think its too soon to tell. I hope Ron can turn things around as I would vote for him in a minute. I don't care for Giuliani but I would take him over any Dem. I definitely would not vote for or for a third party candidate or not vote. That for sure would get Hillary or Obama elected just as when Ross Perot ran and then we got Billary the first time. Give the Dems some time, With the likes of people like Harry and that moron Pelosi and the rest I think they will piss enough people off and give us a chance. It's a shame I have to vote for the lesser of the two evils but until things change what else can I do ?
 
Let's say that people abstain from voting for a Romney or a Giuliani. How do you think Clinton or Obama will treat our gun rights?
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Exactly the same way Romney or Giuliani would but Hillbama would spend money on a failed universal health care system instead of a failed war. I'd attempt the former than the latter.
 
The term "conservative" has absolutely no practical meaning anymore in American politics thanks to bush and the "neo cons," so the question of this thread that is pointed to "conservative" members, is deeply and fundamentally flawed.

To answer the spirit of your question, there is no way in hell I would give my good name, my honor, and/or my principles to McCain or Giuliani. In the presidential slot, I will either vote for Ron Paul or the Libertarian candidate.
 
You people used to really tick me off, now I just marvel at how natural selection has been removed from the human race.

Giualini and Romney would be absolutely NO BETTER on gun rights than Clinton or Obama.
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If you think that Giualini and Romney have the same views on gun control, and would be willing to follow the same path as Clinton or Obama, then I believe that you are either mistaken or ignorant of their views. Would I prefer Dr. Paul to receive the GOP's nomination? Of course. Will he? No. If your only options are a mild-supporter of the 2A or a rapid enemy, you've got to stick with the lesser of the two evils.
 
That's a tough call. I hate the whole "lesser of two evils" dilema. I know that every vote counts, but a 3rd party vote really is a wasted vote.

I do know that if Adolf Hitler came back from the dead and ran against Hillary, I'd have a hard time deciding who to vote for.
 
I do know that if Adolf Hitler came back from the dead and ran against Hillary, I'd have a hard time deciding who to vote for.
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Hillary on that one. ;)

So what I'm hearing a lot of here is a burning need for election reform, preferably a move away from the first-past-the-post voting system so as to encourage greater participation by third (or even *gasp* fourth) parties.

I think some people would be amazed at just how many votes a man like Ron Paul (or Ralph Nader, or any other third party candidate...Paul just being better than most) could pull in running as a third candidate if people had the option of, should he not win, having their vote go to their next-best option.

As for the OP, I'll abstain since this party is only for conservatives and we all know that ain't me. :D
 
I would vote for the candidate I truly want in the election during the primary. Ron Paul would be a Godsend in the White House on about 90% of the issues, but if he does not make it through the primary (which is about 98% likely) I will vote for the candidate that is running against Hillbama.

Although I don't want to have to cast a vote for a Guliani-type, I will hold my nose and do it if necessary. Looking at the situation realistically, I can't believe that writing in a name or voting for a third-party candidate that has no chance in hell of getting more than 5% of the vote would help the situation.

I hate the two-party gimmick, and I hate 99% of politicians. Most of them are traitors. However, I will choose between the lesser of the evils if it means Hitlery & Co vs. nearly anyone else.

Hoping Fred comes in..... while he's not as preferrable as Paul on most issues, he's head and shoulders above anyone else that's running and he's much more likely to get elected. I would take an electable Thompson over a long-shot Paul.
 
Well I'll say this: McCain makes me sick and Guiliani isn't much better. I actually feel bad for the Republicans out there this time around if either one of them ends up being your horse. I mean, I dislike Clinton and Obama but since I'm not generally conservative I can stomach the idea of voting for them. While you obviously won't agree with them on the issues they do more or less represent the party and a majority of the Democratic voters.

Personally if I were in ya'lls shoes I'd almost consider just voting for whoever the Democrats run, and I'm not just saying that out of any perceived self-interest. Losing both houses in 2006 and the presidency in 2008 would at least force the Republican party to do some serious soul-searching about just who they're trying to represent and what they're trying to do. Cause it seems to me nobody's too pleased with what they've been up to for the last little while.

The problem, I realize, being how much damage they can manage to do if they actually controlled all three branches for even two years. I think that's honestly never a good thing, regardless of which party manages it. In fact, depending on how the Congressional races are looking I'd actually consider voting for whoever the Republicans run just to avoid this. Anybody who knows me here knows I don't agree with either party on all issues, and really the perceived loss from a Republican win in the White House would be more than offset by not having either party consolidate power again.

But heck, none of this really matters anyway...I'm in one of those states that, at least as far as presidential races goes, doesn't get much redder. The only chance I have to actually influence who ends up president is in the primaries.

I hate the two-party gimmick, and I hate 99% of politicians.
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You and me both. Unfortunately the only people with any real power to end the two-party system are the very people it benefits.
 
you've got to stick with the lesser of the two evils.
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And this, ladies and gents, is why the American political environment sucks.
Come on JC you and Redworm are actually two of the liberals I enjoy partying with
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the funny thing is that while I'm considered a liberal on this forum I'm considered a hard line conservative or at best (worst?) a libertarian on other forums :p
 
If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination and doesn't run on some other ticket...
Any opinions on Duncan Hunter?
I've just started to look at him so don't know much yet...seeing some good, some bad, but so far he seems a better choice than any other Republican candidate after Dr. Paul.

Since I don't see him mentioned much, what really horrible thing haven't I learned yet?
 
I would rather support a "loser" or "waste my vote" on a candidate that I feel is the best one for the job, than just vote for someone so I can claim I was on "the winning team"
 
"Will you even vote if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination? Or will you settle for business as usual by voting for John McCain or Rudy Guliani?"

Yes. It's our duty. To those that claim that one won't vote: IMO, I think they should keep their mouths shut for four(that's 4) years. Don't vote? Don't gripe. Doesn't do any good to vote for "the lesser of two evils?" There's a reason there's a blank spot on the ballot. I'm a principled man...

No. I will vote for whom I believe is best for our country in the long run. That means looking at what the entire picture is...not just what the "hot topic" is. I think that's part of the reason why we're in a big "to do" with many old and new issues...
 
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