To All Those Who Say That They Will Never Buy Another S&W

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Keep in mind that the anti's want to remove guns from our society anyway that they can. If they can't do it directly through laws, then they will do it indirectly and that is exactly what is happening right now! S&W needs our support now more than ever. Remember, it is not up to a corporation to defend our rights (the primary purpose of EVERY corporation is to generate a profit for their shareholders) -- defedning our rights falls on our shoulders.

What happens when another company follows in S&W's footsteps? Are we not going to buy their products as well? Sooner or later, most (if not all) major gun makers will be going in the same direction. What happens then? We're only going to buy used guns? What happens when those guns start to wear out and break? A gunless society and the anti's win!

We need to stand behind the gun makers now with our support more than ever. If we don't like a particular model (or feature -- such as a 'smartgun' for example) then we just don't buy it the way we pick and choose now but if we blindly boycott all of their products, we're only going to shoot ourselves in the foot in the long run.

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No, FUD, the companies which HAVEN'T tried to make peace with our common enemy need our support more than ever now; All S&W needs is our contempt uptil the moment they attempt to get out of that deal they struck. (Something they probably COULD do, if they wanted to, since they can prove that it was entered into under duress.)

Yes, defending our rights is up to us. It's not unreasonable to ask the firearms companies not to stick a knife in our backs, though, and it's a smart thing to prove to them that capitulation will result in damage to their bottom lines; If this is purely a business decision, let's give them business reasons to show some backbone.

I will say, though, that all this talk about cutting up or otherwise getting rid of S&W firearms is stupid; If you can't bear to keep an S&W product, give it to some poor person who can't afford a gun, and increase our numbers! But don't make our enemy happy by destroying a firearm!

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FUD - you can't buy something that doesn't exist. SW pledged only to make smart guns.

Unless I am very mistake such technology
is unreliable and expensive. Cops won't have to use it.

It is calculated to destroy the civilian market.

Thus, the sooner SW dies or recants the better.
 
NO NO NO NO FUD!!!!!!

If all the people continue to support S&W, then all the dealers will continue to sell S&W products.

If all the dealers continue to sell S&W products, then all purchases from gun dealers will be subject to the terms of the agreement, even if you aren't buying a S&W.

You go in to buy a Glock, but the dealer sells S&W. So, you are subjected to a test or safety course, a 14 day wait if you buy more than one gun, no time limit on the background check, ect., ect.

Want to buy a pre-ban high cap mag for that Glock? Too bad. S&W dealers can't sell those. They also can't sell pre-ban "assault weapons". They can't do any of those things, even though they are legal, if they want to sell S&W products.

Much better to boycott S&W and tell any dealer to quit dealing S&W products so that they and you don't have to abide by a deal that they and you had no part in making.

Please go and tell anyone else who will listen not to go soft on S&W. Their deal could circumvent years of fighting on our part to prevent gun control.

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But that's my whole point -- Glock (and maybe Taurus) are close to signing the same deal. Are you going to boycott them as well? What about a year from now when most (or all) gun makers have signed up? Then what? You're only going to buy used guns? What happens when they start to wear out and break? We need to stick together now and not fight among ourselves because that is where this whole thing is heading!.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FUD:
What happens when they start to wear out and break? [/quote]

By that time, we will be a new Republic and have new guns.

Draw your own conclusions.

11 months left.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Rock: By that time, we will be a new Republic and have new guns.

Draw your own conclusions.

11 months left.

TR[/quote]TR, I hope that you are right but I suspect that this mess is going to be with us for generations to come.
 
Yeah, I'll boycott Glock and Taurus and any other company that makes a pact with Clinton to force gun control down my throat and dealer's throat through litigation blackmail.

Sorry, I refuse to "stick together" with those who capitulate to Clinton's demands. Let the S&W agreement be the most financially disasterous business decision in gunmaker history, and you will see other gunmakers grow a backbone when confronted with more lawsuits.

I will not submit to record checks with no time limit, pre-ban assault weapon and high cap bans, and "safety courses and tests" just because one company demands dealers do these things in return for their business.

This whole deal is the result of a circumvention of due process and unethical litigation practices. I will not "stick together" and bend with S&W or anyone else who capitulates to dishonorable, self-depricating rhetorical nonsense.
 
FUD: There's nothing magical about the existing firearms companies; S&W, Ruger, Glock, you name it, they could all go under, and we'd still be able to buy guns, because all you need to make guns are ordinary machine tools, and ordinary materials. They can all capitulate, they can all go to heck, and six months later somebody else will be making them, and probably somebody who's a lot more committed to the Second amendment. It's the LEGAL enviroment we have to worry about, not the companies!

This extortion by lawsuit is NOT going to go on forever! Most of these suits will be thrown out by the courts. A high court ruling may very well put the kibosh to the whole idea of extortion by lawsuit, as a lot of people who don't give a fart about the Second amendment are starting to get scared about the implications of this phenomenon for our nation's economic system. They know it's NOT going to stop with tobacco or guns. It's not going to stop until such suits are either outlawed, or the trial lawyers rule the country.

And to put it bluntly, if the courts or the legislatures don't put a stop to this, the lives of the lawyers taking part in these assaults aren't going to be worth a plugged nickle. Because we all recognize that this isn't legitimate, that it's a monsterous perversion of the legal system. And SOMEBODY is going to get violent about it! That old line about this being a democracy, and if you don't like government policy you should vote or run for office, doesn't cut it when what you don't like is pseudo-legal extortion, not the outcome of a legitimate political process. These suits are the stuff revolutions are made of, FUD, and there WILL be violence if they seriously interfer with our right to own weapons.

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frye, Sorry, I refuse to "stick together" with those who capitulate to Clinton's demands. Let the S&W agreement be the most financially disasterous business decision in gunmaker history, and you will see other gunmakers grow a backbone when confronted with more lawsuits.

I'm with you on this one. The tobacco companies are the first to blame for caving in to Clinton's extortion and those guys got money up the ying yang to fight with. This isn't just a disastrous business decision for S&W, but for any business or future businesses, it's disgraceful.

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S&W will get burned by the government just like the tobacco industry did. Remember after tobacco companies capitulated the government kept pushing and pushing for things that were never in the original deal, then in some cases sued anyway. As soon as the government has signed as many gun manufacturers onto this bogus deal as they think they can, they'll push for more and more and then find a way to sue the gun industry anyway. I just hope S&W is the first to go down in flames.
 
Hey FUD - Glock told Klintin to STICK IT! See, there is a big difference in gun companies. S&W sucks. Glock rules.
 
My e-mail to Ed Shiltz ... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Dear Mr. Shultz:

I am writing to you today to voice my very strong displeasure with the agreement that was recently signed between your company and HUD. While I do not claim to be aware of the various factor that influenced your decision, I have read with great deal the terms of the agreement and it makes me sick to my stomach.

I own more S&W firearms than all other firearms combined. I have been a loyal S&W supporter for the past 18 years. Your company's products have been the first ones that I turned to when looking for a new firearm because I truly felt that you made the best handguns in the world.

While I am sure that you did what you thought was best for your company, you definitely did not do what was best for the shooters that have supported your company with their purchases for over a century.

In good conscious, I can not continue to purchase your products while this agreement (with all of it's attacks on our freedoms) remains in tack. Additionally, if you begin to incorporate the safety features which are spelled out in the agreement, you will soon not have any products that I am interested in anyway.

While this may be a done deal, I strongly urge you to use every means at your disposal to void out this agreement. Other companies are also being targeted by our government but they are standing firm (see http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/03/21/glock.guns/index.html). Remember the old saying, together we stand and divided we fall.

Please reconsider your position on this matter. I would hate to think that I've been supporting the wrong company all of these years. Sincerely,
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One third of S&Ws sales are LEO. They can't live without our support. I say no support for the SOBs after caving to Commrade Klinton!

There are already over 200 million guns in this country. All the Smiths in my collection just went way up in value.

Point being, they will NEVER get rid of all the guns and the used gun market will thrive as will the after-market gun parts companies.
 
For me, boycotting Smith & Wesson is irrelevant, because the local gunshop in my area simply won't sell S&W products any more. The shop has more to gain by dumping S&W than by going along with its dictates.
 
Hurray for FUD!

Spread the word!

Join the cause!

Don't just tell S&W that you don't want there products, encourage local gun dealers to drop S&W products so they don't have to comply with these ridiculous rules with all gun sales.
 
Does S&W stand for "Snitch & Weasel"? I hope not because I just sent in my warranty cards for a 629 .44 and my 410 .40.
 
frye, I don't agree with what S&W did but I really hate to see their pistols (not their revolvers but their pistols) disappear from the market place -- which is what is going to happen once they start incorporating these new "features" into their product line. Plus, I've been a loyal S&W supporter (buyer of their pistols) for around 18 years and this is like a slap in the face (or maybe a knife in the back) from them. To say that this whole thing bothers me, would be an understatement.
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FUD, I wouldn't write off S&W yet. This is a contract, not a law. They can withdraw and simply lose their lawsuit protection.

That needs to be our goal. Teach S&W that consumer support is much more important than government support, and that capitulation to blackmail is not an option.

Let them withdraw from the agreement in six months citing disasterous financial consequences and let them rejoin the other manufacterers in a united front!
 
I was thinking of getting a .44 or an O/U shotgun this year. Since S&W flipped and Browning didn't, it won't be hard to make the decision.

I boycotted K-Mart. I don't have any problem in boycotting S&W. They can choose between possible financial ruin by lawsuit or certain financial ruin by loss of distributors and sales. It's their choice.
 
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