Titegroup is very strange.

It (TiteGroup) doesn't behave well in 38 or 357 mag because of the heat and low volume.
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I will 90% agree.

Clearly, TG is designed for semi-auto use. But I did get it to work well with 148 plated DEWC's. Because DEWC's sit deep in the case, the bullet takes up the volume; thus, making for more consistent burns - or at least that's what the chronograph tells me.

Honorable mention goes to 125 JHP's (38 Spl+P). I loaded them up to 1000 f/s (999 to be exact ;) 4" bbl) and they run really nice. Really nice. Gives my Model 67 the perfect little snap with next to no recoil. It's a fantastic loading. I'm going to miss that one when the last of them are shot (soon). BTW, I suspect pressure is a bit beyond +P with this one. Please do your own work ups and never "chase velocities."

On a related note, Hodgdon advertises TG as being non-position sensitive, or however they word it. Well, in my tests with low power 38 Special (lead DEWC's running around 730 f/s), it IS position sensitive. I will give Hodgdon a break on this one though. They were likely talking about how it's usually or supposed to be used - i.e. semi-auto. What I did was an extreme scenario.
 
Clearly, TG is designed for semi-auto use.
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I have used it in 9MM with my cast Lee 125 grain RN2R plain based powder coated bullets and have no complaints with it in that venue (not dirty, no apparent "burned plastic" odor), albeit with a different powder coat...PPG Red instead of my Sky Blue from Powder by the Pound (not all powder coating powders are formulated the same).
 
locknloader said:
I’ve also found titegorup leaves your cases and barrel very sooty if loading the min charge
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That's the cause of the black rings around the bullet holes. The bullets pick a little up from the gas that bypasses the bullet upon firing and then gets some from the barrel that was left by the last shot, then is having it wiped off by the target paper on its way through.
 
I've tried it on a few different Hi-Tek coated bullets and the only one I found that it didn't cause a slight problem with was ACME.
The lipstick is thick.

Still, I'll be glad when it is gone.
 
Titegroup is probably the worst powder for 9 MM one can buy, maybe. There are vastly better alternatives. Runs too hot, its dirty. Its good if your shooting when its freezing to warm up your hands. Melts the coatings off stuff. Try a different brand. Try N320, or Lovex equivalent, or even Bullseye. All are better. The only, perhaps, good thing about titegroup is that it is provides accurate loads generally and its economical. But saying powder is economical is kind of talking about picking up dimes off the street or something like that
 
Nick_C_S said:
On a related note, Hodgdon advertises TG as being non-position sensitive, or however they word it. Well, in my tests with low power 38 Special (lead DEWC's running around 730 f/s), it IS position sensitive. I will give Hodgdon a break on this one though. They were likely talking about how it's usually or supposed to be used - i.e. semi-auto. What I did was an extreme scenario.
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I had the exact same experience in light 38 loads. To a T. So I stick with tite group being just for 9mm and 40s&w.
 
9MMand223only said:
Titegroup is probably the worst powder for 9 MM one can buy, maybe. There are vastly better alternatives. Runs too hot, its dirty. Its good if your shooting when its freezing to warm up your hands. Melts the coatings off stuff. Try a different brand. Try N320, or Lovex equivalent, or even Bullseye. All are better. The only, perhaps, good thing about titegroup is that it is provides accurate loads generally and its economical. But saying powder is economical is kind of talking about picking up dimes off the street or something like that
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???:confused: Apparently Ive missed something. I use it to load about 8k of 9mm a year and have yet to experience any issues. And I use it to shoot FAST. No over heating issue. And I load near the upper end. What am I missing?
 
Chainsaw. said:
I had the exact same experience in light 38 loads. To a T. So I stick with tite group being just for 9mm and 40s&w.
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Looking back in the archives relative to Titegroup and position sensitivity (some of my own previous posts also, which I had forgotten.), I was reminded that I had been experiencing light recoil and reports on the first shot in a string of six (rapid double-action revolver shooting at steel bowingpin targets). I start from the low-ready position and bring the gun into the shooting position forming a reverse "C". Evidently, the relatively low-density loading of Titegroup would be thrust forward by that maneuver, in the casing and my first shot was always noticeably weaker than the subsequent shots where I assume that the recoil from the subsequent shots more evenly distributed the powder.

I had no such issues when I recently shot some 9MM cartridges loaded with Titegroup and powder coated bullets.

Therefore, having come to believe Titegroup to be problematic for my bowling pin revolver shooting, I will reserve its use in my 9MM and .45 ACP and perhaps my .38 Super .
 
Titegroup is probably the worst powder for 9 MM one can buy
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Apparently Ive missed something.
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Nah, I don't think you missed anything. I guess it all depends on how one loads and for what purpose. That said, I would suspect the consensus to be overwhelming that TG is an excellent propellant for range level 9mm ammo. It is superb for mid velocity 115's and 124's. Maybe even a little more than mid-velocity in the case of the 115's. I'm talking plated and/or jacketed here, of course. This type of ammo is right in TG's wheelhouse.

Now if you're into 147's or going to defense level velocities, TG is going to come up short. It's time to reach for something a little slower and less spunky to fill the need.
 
I will rejoice when my supply of TiteGroup is gone. (Less than 1# left!)
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Amen, brother! I've got just over 1#... I was looking at a way to burn it up quickly last night. Besides pouring it out in the garden, I might just load it up under all my .45 bullets and be done with it.
 
Amen, brother! I've got just over 1#... I was looking at a way to burn it up quickly last night. Besides pouring it out in the garden, I might just load it up under all my .45 bullets and be done with it.
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I spent about six years looking at the remaining pound that I wasn't using.
Eventually, I just gave it away.
Saved me the trouble of wasting time with a load that I'd never use again.
 
Oh...oh.

Looking back at my targets for my K38 shooting (I keep handloading records via the original target, three-hole punched, with my loading data written on the target, in ring binders.), in regard to Titegroup and powder coating leaving Black soot rings around the bullet holes, my past target show 2.9 Clays 3.4 of 231, and 2.8 of Bullseye, Lee 120 RN2R powder coated bullets doing the same thing.

So, it would seem that it is the powder coating doing the smudging...not Titegroup. I will have to hate it for its other shortcomings...burning hot, powder position sensitivity.
 
Titegroup works well for me in 45 Colt with 255 grain cast bullets. Clean and accurate; I never noticed the heat others have mentioned. But then, I don't fan my revolver and single actions have to be unloaded and are kinda slow to reload, so you simply can't achieve as high of a rate of fire as your auto-pistols do.
 
But then, I don't fan my revolver and single actions have to be unloaded and are kinda slow to reload, so you simply can't achieve as high of a rate of fire as your auto-pistols do.
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I practice for steel falling plate/steel bowling pin (in the revolver class). I shoot 72 rounds double-action from one of my highly-tuned K38's every day. Inasmuch as those competitions are timed events, each six is shot pretty fast. I use six speed loaders and a six-station loading block from which I replenish the six rounds in the speed loaders as I shoot them. So in all, those 72 rounds are shoot-up pretty quick and the difference in the heat of the gun (especially in the Summer), is quite noticeable when shooting Titegroup.

Being a High-Functioning Asperger's Syndrome person, I have the attention span of a caffeinated gerbil...I do not wait for the gun to cool between strings...I have to shoot the 72 rounds, tumble the brass and handload them for the next day's practice.
 
I shoot 72 rounds . . . every day.
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Okay, you've mentioned this a couple times now. I feel like I'm missing something.

Why 72 rounds a day? Why not 71, 73, an hour's worth, etc.? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Okay, you've mentioned this a couple times now. I feel like I'm missing something.
Why 72 rounds a day? Why not 71, 73, an hour's worth, etc.? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Six speed loaders = 36 rounds. Six stations in my speed loader block = 36 more rounds. 36+36 = 72 rounds...any more than that I get bored (short attention span) or tired (I am old). Any less would not be enough practice.
 
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