bullfrog99
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I'm in the market for a long range rifle in .308, would you spend the big bucks to go remington or just pick up a savage and invest the extra money in a better scope?
Timeless Debate, Savage vs Remington.
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Robert the41MagFan
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Savage makes a good product. For the money that is. By the time you invest in a rifle stock that would put it on par with the Remington, both guns would cost about the same. Remington rifles have better resale value, better selection of after market parts and are made in the USA.
Robert
Robert
Remington vs Savage?
I currently have only one Remington rifle, 700 Classic in .375 H&H and it is a fine rifle. My grandfather (rest his soul, where ever it ended) also had a Remington 700 in .257 Roberts, and that was not the quality of the H&H. My BDL in 300 Win Mag (I no longer have it, traded it for a Guide Gun) was a good rifle.
I have fired two different Savages. The package gun gun in 7mm Mag and a 116 in 300WM. Both were as fine an action as my 300 WM BDL, the wood was a little bit on the rough side as compared to the Remingtons, but that's the only complaint.
I will say this, I have a hankering for a quarter bore and the toss up was 'tween a Savage 112FVSS and a Remington Sendero. With the price difference and the comparable quality, the Savage is what I am going with as soon as the rifle gets here next Wednesday. Hey, is it next Wednesday yet?
Derek
I currently have only one Remington rifle, 700 Classic in .375 H&H and it is a fine rifle. My grandfather (rest his soul, where ever it ended) also had a Remington 700 in .257 Roberts, and that was not the quality of the H&H. My BDL in 300 Win Mag (I no longer have it, traded it for a Guide Gun) was a good rifle.
I have fired two different Savages. The package gun gun in 7mm Mag and a 116 in 300WM. Both were as fine an action as my 300 WM BDL, the wood was a little bit on the rough side as compared to the Remingtons, but that's the only complaint.
I will say this, I have a hankering for a quarter bore and the toss up was 'tween a Savage 112FVSS and a Remington Sendero. With the price difference and the comparable quality, the Savage is what I am going with as soon as the rifle gets here next Wednesday. Hey, is it next Wednesday yet?
Derek
Bullfrog what do you consider big bucks? What were you looking to spend on the rifle in the first place? And what brand and type and power of optics where you looking at and what were you going to spend? Also what do you consider long range? Just wondering so I could give you a propper opinion.
A good friend of mine loves Savage rifles. He brought his Savage .223 when he came hunting last year....I shot it,It is the most accurate "out of the box" rifle I have ever shot(and Ive shot a bunch). We did some experimenting w/ it and it never shot a group over .5 @ 100....3 kinds of ammo! It blew my mind. Thats the only modern Savage Ive ever shot but he says he has a .308 thats just as accurate. The things I didnt like were the stock (ergonomics were poop), trigger (creepier than a Vincent Price movie), and the safty (it just didnt have that reasuring "feel" to it)....All of which could be fixed. Thats bout it,,,m16
There seems to be quite a bit of agreement that Savage shoots quite well out of the box. Now as we all know there are very few of us that shoot box stockrifles. Since they are going to wind up wearing several bells and a few whistles, use the price savings on the accessories that we all buy anyway. I have two Savages and like the trigger on them, but I've been called on questionable intelligence more than once.
bullfrog99
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i'll eventually scrounge up around $1300 for the whole thing, i'm thinking of going with the savage 10flp($400 ) as i shoot left handed, adding a sharpshooter trigger($100)
and a Choate Ultimate Sniper stock, ($180) I've already got a harris bipod and a good sling, so i'll spend the rest,($620) on the scope and mount any suggestions on the optics in the 5-600 price range to put me on the paper at 300 yards?
and a Choate Ultimate Sniper stock, ($180) I've already got a harris bipod and a good sling, so i'll spend the rest,($620) on the scope and mount any suggestions on the optics in the 5-600 price range to put me on the paper at 300 yards?
Oh Lord...
Most likely everyone will say Leupold since they are "God's" optics, or such crap like that. The way people respond to this question makes me think that they're either programmed or have stock in Leupold. I really don't see what's so special about them. For the same price as the scope, I could have some REAL nice rings and base, along with a REAL nice scope. Get what you like. Get something that's functional for YOU. Not what everyone else wants or thinks you need.
Most likely everyone will say Leupold since they are "God's" optics, or such crap like that. The way people respond to this question makes me think that they're either programmed or have stock in Leupold. I really don't see what's so special about them. For the same price as the scope, I could have some REAL nice rings and base, along with a REAL nice scope. Get what you like. Get something that's functional for YOU. Not what everyone else wants or thinks you need.
WalterGAII
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That Choate stock is $106, plus $6.50 shipping, from Brownell's.
If you're punching paper at only 300 yards then most any scope up to and around 10x would work. I'm going to say it because it's how I feel but Leupold is a great scope. I'm neither programmed or have stock in the company but my feeling comes from expierience with the product and others. I've had many scopes and for what you're looking to spend I think Leupold would be the best bet. If you buy a good scope to begin with you will never have to replace it. Don't skimp on optics or the mounts and rings. Check out http://www.swfa.com. They have pretty good prices on scopes and they carry more than Leupold but that's what I would recommend. They have a great warrenty and customer service if anything does happen but I've never had to use them. Midway at http://www.midwayusa.com also has some scopes at pretty good prices. Another scope that's gotten some good and bad press is the Tasco Super Sniper. It's listed under the Tasco section of the SWFA site. If you think about getting one get the standard mosel and not the M model. Also the standard models are about $100 less at only $299. My friend has 2 of them and they are very clear and have good tactile and audible clicks when adjusting elevation or windage. They also come with mildots.
I also have to say something about the rifles. Personally I like Remingtons. They are great shooters and are the best action to build off of when you feel like building a good custom and you will if you like shooting long range and are chasing every bit of accuracy you can get. For less than the cost of the Savage, the replacement stock and the replacement trigger($680 according to your post) you can get a 700VS and not have to replace anything for about $550-600. You can actually get a 700P with a little bit better stock for about $699. There was a post on the Snipers Paradise board from one of the moderators and owners to a similar question to yours. He said words to the effect of When they get a Savage rifle in, they throw away the stock, the trigger, the barrel and then the action and then they pick up a Remington action and build a good accurate rifle. Just something to think about. If you're just getting a rifle that you want to mess with a couple of times a year you can do alot worse than the Savage. It's a good solid rifle. But I still think the Remington will be better for you in the long run. Another rifle I'd like to mention is the Winchester Stelth. From what I've heard it's a good shooter and comes ready to shoot for about $500-550. Good luck however you go.
[Edited by Rob01 on 06-07-2001 at 05:47 PM]
I also have to say something about the rifles. Personally I like Remingtons. They are great shooters and are the best action to build off of when you feel like building a good custom and you will if you like shooting long range and are chasing every bit of accuracy you can get. For less than the cost of the Savage, the replacement stock and the replacement trigger($680 according to your post) you can get a 700VS and not have to replace anything for about $550-600. You can actually get a 700P with a little bit better stock for about $699. There was a post on the Snipers Paradise board from one of the moderators and owners to a similar question to yours. He said words to the effect of When they get a Savage rifle in, they throw away the stock, the trigger, the barrel and then the action and then they pick up a Remington action and build a good accurate rifle. Just something to think about. If you're just getting a rifle that you want to mess with a couple of times a year you can do alot worse than the Savage. It's a good solid rifle. But I still think the Remington will be better for you in the long run. Another rifle I'd like to mention is the Winchester Stelth. From what I've heard it's a good shooter and comes ready to shoot for about $500-550. Good luck however you go.
[Edited by Rob01 on 06-07-2001 at 05:47 PM]
Disclaimer: I shoot benchrest
If you're looking for an OUT OF THE BOX accurate rifle, one of the varmint guns from Savage will likely be the best choice.
If you're looking for the utmost accuracy, a Remington comes in second to the custom actions, but can be reworked to approach their accuracy. It is easier to find "benchrest-quality" gunsmiths to work on Remingtons.
Accurate rifles I own:
1 Stolle Panda (6PPC, .22 PPC and 6BR barrels)
3 Savages (12BVSS-S in .22-250, replaced the trigger, shoots in the mid-threes, 110FP in .308, in a Choate stock, shoots about .5-.6, and a 110 that currently has its .243 skinny barrel (0.7-0.8 with 55 gr. Noslers at 3,900 fps) off and is waiting to be sent back down to Paul Dorsey for a nice big heavy honker in 6BR...)
If you're looking for an OUT OF THE BOX accurate rifle, one of the varmint guns from Savage will likely be the best choice.
If you're looking for the utmost accuracy, a Remington comes in second to the custom actions, but can be reworked to approach their accuracy. It is easier to find "benchrest-quality" gunsmiths to work on Remingtons.
Accurate rifles I own:
1 Stolle Panda (6PPC, .22 PPC and 6BR barrels)
3 Savages (12BVSS-S in .22-250, replaced the trigger, shoots in the mid-threes, 110FP in .308, in a Choate stock, shoots about .5-.6, and a 110 that currently has its .243 skinny barrel (0.7-0.8 with 55 gr. Noslers at 3,900 fps) off and is waiting to be sent back down to Paul Dorsey for a nice big heavy honker in 6BR...)
Another shop that makes Savage stocks is the same company that makes SharpShooterSupply triggers. The stocks come in unfinished for under $125, filled and primed for $175, and painted to your taste for about $225 or so.
I think they have a link the to SSS at one of the varmint web sites. Do a search and you will find many references and a phone number.
The cool thing about SSS is that the owner is a night owl workaholic who took my last call at 3am Ohio time.
Rick
I think they have a link the to SSS at one of the varmint web sites. Do a search and you will find many references and a phone number.
The cool thing about SSS is that the owner is a night owl workaholic who took my last call at 3am Ohio time.
Rick