Time to boycott Autozone?

How about all these "random" people that work in gun stores? Where I am every employee of any local gun store is probably carrying a gun whether you see it or not. These people are employees of the store. They did not have to pass any kind of competency test with a firearm or go to a school. Where I am you can carry concealed with no permit. And as far as I am concerned the more people that do, the better.

Many times even on forums we think because we post here it's ok for us to have one but not ok for the "average" citizen, they don't have the knowledge or training that we do. Sounds kind of like the Bloombergs of our time, it's ok for them but not ok for us. We don't take that too well when we're deemed not responsible enough to have a gun. Why would we treat other legal citizens the same way?

I think it was Dave Spaulding who wrote an article for Shooting Wire a couple months ago that addressed this. Basically he said that for all the tactical, fancy training many of us put ourselves through, the vast majority of the time the lady with the 38 snub bought new and stuffed in a drawer for the past 10 years somehow manages to defend herself just fine.
 
et's put this in perspective.

You hire a landscaping crew to work on your yard. You have no real idea who these people are or their qualifications/familiarity with a gun. Your family spends time in the yard while this work is going on. Do you really want these random people working for you toting guns around your yard drawing on anyone they deem a threat? If not, congratulations, now you see Autozone's point of view.
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Can you cite any cases where an armed citizen injured or killed a bystander while legally defending oneself or one's property?

If not...let's add a dash of reality into that perspective.
 
How about all these "random" people that work in gun stores? Where I am every employee of any local gun store is probably carrying a gun whether you see it or not. These people are employees of the store. They did not have to pass any kind of competency test with a firearm or go to a school. Where I am you can carry concealed with no permit. And as far as I am concerned the more people that do, the better.
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They work at a gun store, not an auto parts store. It's to be expected that they're carrying.

Many times even on forums we think because we post here it's ok for us to have one but not ok for the "average" citizen, they don't have the knowledge or training that we do. Sounds kind of like the Bloombergs of our time, it's ok for them but not ok for us. We don't take that too well when we're deemed not responsible enough to have a gun. Why would we treat other legal citizens the same way?
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I think everyone should have the right to have a gun, and as long as they're not a threat to anyone else, they can be as incompetent with one as they want. I know people that own guns that are a danger to those around them. If they worked for me I'd make sure they didn't have one on them while at work. As a business owner you're responsible for anything your employees do. All it takes is one Dirty Harry wannabe to create a multi-million dollar lawsuit. Having that policy on the books and enforcing it takes liability off the company.

Can you cite any cases where an armed citizen injured or killed a bystander while legally defending oneself or one's property?

If not...let's add a dash of reality into that perspective.
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I'm not going to research for this, but the internet is full of negligent discharge stories done by people who were "safe with guns" until they accidentally shot their leg practicing quick draw. If they want to do that at home, more power to them. As a business owner, there's no place for that kind of liability.
 
Time to boycott Autozone?
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No need in my case. The one in my area is staffed by either gearheads or idiots, both of which treat the customer like crap if they ask any questions whatsoever.

So I go to Advanced Auto instead, much nicer people and better treatment towards the less mechanically inclined

Corporate policy is corporate policy, though, and they have the right to make their own rules for employees. Stupid? IMO, yes, it is.

I work in a no guns building, government (technically), not private. I have no doubt that were I to go out to my car and come back in with my weapon, even to defend my coworkers or the public, I would be both fired and charged.

I make no secret of my "plan" in the eventuality of a robbery or violent encounter - I'm going out the window, you're all on your own
 
Can you cite any cases where an armed citizen injured or killed a bystander while legally defending oneself or one's property?
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I'm not going to research for this,...
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There, did the hard work for you, hardworker.

Here you go...
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18661869/chl

Hitting the wrong person isn't just a concern during self defense. There are numerous incidents of employees and volunteers permit holders having NDs that injured or killed others while at work.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...njured-when-cu-staffer-concealed-carry-permit

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ghter-accidentally-shot-head-church-dies.html

http://www.newarkpostonline.com/news/local/article_a6af80a0-1674-5e0c-81be-99f1e109e042.html

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/03/08/blotter/doc4f58fea8493ea478819539.txt
 
hardworker said:
Let's put this in perspective.

You hire a landscaping crew to work on your yard. You have no real idea who these people are or their qualifications/familiarity with a gun. Your family spends time in the yard while this work is going on. Do you really want these random people working for you toting guns around your yard drawing on anyone they deem a threat? If not, congratulations, now you see Autozone's point of view.
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You can't be serious.

"Drawing on anyone they deem a threat".

Where does this happen?

Lets at least try to live in the real world. :rolleyes:
 
^X2 Many of us, including myself, carry most of the time (if not all). I doubt any "Drawing on anyone they deem a threat". Brian, you stated it well.

Bob
 
A few questions:

A private enterprise has the right to create and enforce it's own policies, to be sure......but -

1-Does Autozone also forbid it's customers for conceal carrying?

2-When a business posts a "No Firearms" sign...are they not assuming responsible for the safety of everyone in said business?

2-If you are in an establishment which forbids employees and/or customers from having CCWs, and a crime occurs which results in harm (or worse) to an employees and/or customers....does one not have the right to sue said establishment for infringing on the individual's constitutional right to self protection, despite company policy?
 
2-If you are in an establishment which forbids employees and/or customers from having CCWs, and a crime occurs which results in harm (or worse) to an employees and/or customers....does one not have the right to sue said establishment for infringing on the individual's constitutional right to self protection, despite company policy?
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As Brian stated:
3)You can sue for anything you want, but you'll lose.
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...and the reason you would loose is when you as an employee found out your company had a 'no gun policy', you chose to stay.
Too, as a patron to a business, you also voluntarily entered said business walking past the 'No Gun' sign.
 
The biggest reason you'd lose is because gun owners are not a Protected Class.

Legally, it's no different than a "No Shirts, No Shoes, No Service" sign.
 
I don't go places with No Guns signs.

I had a thread a while back about Chuckie Cheese's.

I don't go there, unless I'm conned into it.

I still believe its their right, private property rights are essential to freedom, but it's also our right to grant them their wish, so to speak.

I have a gun on me. If they don't want the gun, they don't want me. Wish granted.

I'm not sure a Guns Are Good sign is really a plus though. Maybe.
 
...and the reason you would loose is when you as an employee found out your company had a 'no gun policy', you chose to stay.
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I don't know if you've noticed, but the job market hasn't exactly been brimming with lucrative opportunities for most the last couple of years. Not everyone can turn down or leave a job because of a policy banning firearms.

Given the choice of sticking to one's principals and putting food on the table, I can't blame the employee for choosing the latter.

(There's a real parallel to the "well, move to a free state LOL" responses I see when folks post about the gun laws in places like California and New York.)
 
...and the reason you would loose is when you as an employee found out your company had a 'no gun policy', you chose to stay.
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I don't know if you've noticed, but the job market hasn't exactly been brimming with lucrative opportunities for most the last couple of years. Not everyone can turn down or leave a job because of a policy banning firearms.
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Tom, with respect, I completely understand about the job market and it was not my intent to condemn anyone for having to work for an employer having 'no gun' policies. Apologies if it sounded that way.

My response was specific to(with emphasis on emboldened part) the question asked of Famas...

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2-If you are in an establishment which forbids employees and/or customers from having CCWs, and a crime occurs which results in harm (or worse) to an employees and/or customers....does one not have the right to sue said establishment for infringing on the individual's constitutional right to self protection, despite company policy?
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For clarification, you can sue your employer or a place of business in which your a patron for infringing on your constitutional rights for having a 'no gun' policy but you will not win cause even though you have to provide for your family or need to purchase certain things to live, you are still willfully going into these places whether as an employee or patron full knowing of the policy. Regardless of our needs we have for entering this place of employment/business or our thoughts/feelings of said establishments policies, the business is entitled to make their own policy.
If I choose to work for a company, while I'm there, I may not agree with all the company policies but have accepted them and am expected to conform to policies set forth by that company.

Far as my own thoughts on purchasing/shopping at a business with 'no gun' signs..
... I don't.

For commodity purchases and other personal business, my money doesn't go to establishments with the no gun signs.

If I need a certain item and I go to a store that carries that item and see the no gun sign at the door, it may be a little inconvenient, but well worth my time to find the item elsewhere. And taking the time to go in the anti-gun establishment and politely explaining to the owner or manager the reason for my purchase at his/her competitor rather then there is very important to me as well.
 
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If we boycotted every business with policies we don't agree with we would all be back to subistence farming.
Say we should start a "We Hate Everybody" boycott.
 
If we boycotted every business with policies we don't agree with we would all be back to subistence farming.
Say we should start a "We Hate Everybody" boycott.
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I know what you are saying but I have been an Auto Zone customer for a long time, they aren't the only supplier in town and right now all they are going to get from me is the back of my head as I walk away from them. As of yesterday I go across the street to 'Bumper to Bumper'.
 
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