Tight slide on new 1911.....please help!

Harry, thanks for the info.

I'll have to post up a range report after I get a chance to shoot it. I'm a little worried beacause this was going to be my full time "carry" gun.....but I guess if I can run 100rounds through it without a problem....I figure it should be pretty reliable.
 
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Sir:
At Novaks we (Joe and I) wouldn't trust a pistol to combat duty till it had put 200 rounds through it with the last 100 fudge free!
I really hope you have a good experience with your DW.
Harry B.
 
Sorry Harry...I meant 1000...not 100.

I figure that after 1000 rounds without any problems, it should be all "broken in", and it should be plenty reliable enough to use as a daily carry gun.

My XD has had 1500+ rounds through it without a single problem....so I would think a nice 1911 that cost me twice as much should be able to run at least that many rounds without a problem :D
 
I put over 8500 rounds (mostly ball) through a Norinco without a single failure of any kind. I finally had a failure to feed, after the gun had gone 500 rounds without cleaning. I think it is pretty reliable.

FWIW, for a carry gun (of any kind) I always recommend AT LEAST 200 consecutive rounds without a malfunction WITH the carry ammo. If the gun is an auto pistol and extra magazines will be carried, then make it 200 consecutive rounds with EACH magazine. If a malfunction occurs and you think the problem is fixed, start the count over.

And note that about the CARRY AMMO. Too many people practice with cheap ammo, then switch to the "high price spread" to carry. One gentleman posted that he had never fired his carry ammo, always using cheap stuff for practice. I asked how he knew the carry ammo worked. There was no reply for almost a week. Then he admitted that he had finally bitten the bullet and tried his expensive carry ammo. He got 3-5 malfunctions in every 8-shot magazine! Made a believer, there.

Jim
 
Norinco

Jim:
I've shot Norinco 45s. - I liked them. With a little work they can be a good pistol.
With Norinco, I always had to draw to a grey the front of slide before I could mill with the Novak 65 degree cutter! They were HARD!
Harry B.
 
Well, I thought I would be able to give everyone a range report tonight...but it seems like Dan Wesson is slacking in their shipping department. They got my gun last Thursday and worked on it ASAP, which was great......but it was supposed to ship out this Wednesday 26th afternoon...but it didn't. Then they assured me it would ship out Thursday afternoon and I would have it today........well it didn't get shipped out Thursday either. Now they are saying it shipped out today....and I won't get it until Monday.

I guess it isn't really that big of a deal....but if it was ready to go on Wendesday...why the hell would it sit in their shipping department until Friday?? Especially if they hopped on it so fast to get it fixed?

Oh well....hopefully I will have pics and a range report for you guys some time mid next week . I was so looking forward to taking it to the range today:(
 
Probably cause they are not a large company and have alot of people off over the holidays which slows down work in any business.
 
I will ditto what Harry said about not worrying about marks inside if the slide is still tight. As noted, the slide tightness is not a high contributor to accuracy. The only instance in which is really matters is when you use a grip frame mount for a red dot sight. Then it becomes important to tying the barrel alignment to the frame. If you look at a 1911 that was accurized the old fashioned way that I learned, with peened rails and scraped barrel lug weldups, I think you will find yours seems relatively unscathed by comparison.

If you want a little insurance against future galling, go to sprinco.com and buy a bottle of their Plate+ silver product and put it in a shallow pan and soak the frame rails and slide ways in it for 72 hours. It is one of the NASA patent lubricants that bonds electrically into the surface microstructure of the metal and carries a little sub-micron acid neutralized moly in with it. It actually keeps working in a rifle bore through firing quite a number of rounds, so hanging onto your slide and frame should be easy for it to do.
 
Well by gun came in today. It looks great! I'm really impressed with the customer service from Dan Wesson. The rails that were once marred, look great now. They polished everything up, and also replaced the barrel bushing with a stainless one for some reason?? I'm not complaining.

I ran about 50 rounds through it today, just to see how it would do. It functioned flawlessly. I didn't have a single problem with it, but I still want to run about 200 more through it without any problems before I start carrying it all the time.

Here are some pics of what the gun looked like after I got it back from DW. You can barely see a little pitting in the rails that didn't polish out.....but it's hardly noticeable. It looks bad in the pictures because the flash really seems to make it stick out. If you didn't know it was there, I don't think you would ever see it unless you looked really hard. Everything seems nice and smooth, so hopefully this will be a great gun. I'm going to lube it up tonight again after I clean it, and then take it to the range tomorrow.

I did get a response back from DW's Product Manager regarding my request to have them pay for the $65 shipping it cost me to get the gun back to them after it locked up after 3 shots.

Here is what I got back....I'm a little mad about it, but at least I have my gun back and it runs. They wouldn't even throw me a few extra mags or anything. You would think that would be the least they would do?



"I am sorry but it is CZ's policy that for any service warranty or otherwise the customer must pay to get the gun here. If you check other manufactures policies you will see that this is not any different than most other companies. Against CZ's policy I do make arrangements if there is a repeat problem of what the gun had already come in for.
We do what we can but in most cases our hands are tied."



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It looks fine. As long as it keeps functioning, I wouldn't feel too bad about the shipping. Think of it as paying for the custom attention you got, which likely puts your gun above average in reliability for less than you would pay a custom gunsmith to do a reliability package.

The problem with shipping costs is they are the brain children of the shipping company lawyers and insurers. The firearm companies neither want to use overnight service nor can they do anything about having to use it. It didn't used to be costly to ship guns, but when UPS was called to task for guns stolen by their ground shipment employees and the fact there was no way to figure out which employees had done the deed, the whole overnight air-only policy came about because of the liability considerations. It turns out far fewer people handle an overnight air shipment (7, typically, as opposed to as many as 100 with a ground package). That makes a theft easier to trace, which discourages it from happening in the first place.
 
1911

Sir:
I agree with Nick totally - your pistol has recieved some "custom" work. Glad it runs fine. But, "welcome to the 1911 world" - there are more things to do to a 1911 than carter has liver pills. Keep that slide to frame clean and lubed. Nick has a treatment mentioned you might also try.
Personally, I don't like Stainless in an automatic, but they all seem to run fine. Yours will be fine, but I know haw you feel.
You know, it says it's CZ policy - Are these pistols made in a CZ plant? CZ has made some fine pistols and rifles. I have a carbon steel CZ 9mm that they forgot to cut the "leade" in the chamber - I had a 9mm reamer so I just did it for them - pistol runs great now - headspace is fine.

Just to let you know that your gun and problen isn't unique Charles Shaner, now deceased, a master smith, called me to come over and see this Winchester 243. I arrived and it was a new rifle, marked with the Winchester proof mark with NO CHAMBER CUT!!!! So help me it's true!
Just because it's new means nothing, except you need to do something to it generally! Our work at Novaks was this: - most of our work was on "NEW GUNS"!
Harry B.
 
I'm going to take it to the range tomorrow......if I can run 250 rounds through it without a single problem, I'll be happy.

I'll wright up a full range report and start a new post on it.
 
It was almost comical watching the CEO of UPS on TV trying to say that his employees are a bunch of thieves without actually saying that his employees are a bunch of thieves. A lot of tap dancing and weasel wording.

Jim
 
Yup! That was fun. My wife was just reading that, despite all the homeland security TSA folk present, the airport baggage handler thief rings are running in full swing. Seems kind of like having a chop shop running in a prison workshop.

Real life is stranger than fiction, and that is proven daily.

Nick
 
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