Tight Iraq election security includes weapons ban

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Tight Iraq election security includes weapons ban

Curfew in many areas, driving limits, closing airport other measures
Saturday, January 22, 2005 Posted: 12:49 PM EST (1749 GMT)

Iraqi Interior Minister Falah Al-Nakib in Baghdad on Saturday announces new election security measures.
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Four suicide car bombings go off in 90-minute span.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Extraordinary security measures, including a ban on weapons, restrictions on who may drive and a curfew, will be in place before and during elections on January 30, a top Iraqi official said Saturday.

"The government's goal is to provide a secure Iraq," Interior Minister Falah Al-Nakib said. "We have taken all necessary procedures to secure this purpose. All our security forces have been put on alert ... all citizens should abide by these rules and measures."

Also, Baghdad's airport will be closed on January 29 and 30, Al-Nakib said.

January 29, 30 and 31 have been declared holidays in Iraq, the minister said. Many areas will have a curfew from 8 p.m. until 6 a.m. on those days and anyone in violation will be arrested, he said.

Carrying weapons will be banned. Anyone violating the ban will be arrested and the weapons confiscated, he said.

Driving on the streets will be restricted, Al-Nakib said, to elections supervisors and other officials.

Instead, the Iraqi interior and transportation ministries will provide transportation for voters needing help to get to the polls.

Iraq's borders will be closed except to Iraqis returning from the annual Hajj pilgrimage, the minister said. Baghdad's airport will be closed January 29 and 30, and no transfer will be permitted between provinces.

Walking in and around the polling places will be restricted, Al-Nakib said.

Security forces working during the election period will be eligible for "encouraging payments" and be issued special badges, he said.

The announcement of the new security restrictions came the day after another rash of violence in Iraq.

A video posted on an Islamist Web site shows two Iraqis apparently being beheaded on a city sidewalk as pedestrians and vehicles pass by.

The video was posted on a Web site that has shown video verified as being produced by a group led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. However, CNN has not confirmed the authenticity of this video.

Iraqi authorities said a wedding party south of Baghdad was attacked by a suicide bomber Friday evening, killing at least 12 people and wounding dozens of others.

In the beheading video, the two men tell their kidnappers that they drove truckloads of food and supplies to an American base in the central Iraqi town of Ramadi.

The men said they lived in the Sadr City section of Baghdad and worked for a Lebanese company. Although they admitted staying on a U.S. base for two weeks, the two said they were lured into the $150-a-month job not knowing they would be working for Americans.

The men stood -- blindfolded with hands bound behind their backs -- in front of an Arabic banner bearing the name "al Qaeda in Iraq," a group linked to al-Zarqawi that has been responsible for other beheadings and violence.

The last section of the 10-minute video shows the men beheaded by several hooded men as the victims lie on a sidewalk and onlookers cheer "Allah akbar" -- Arabic for "God is great."

Arabic text edited into the video said the men were killed because "they worked for the infidels."

Before their deaths, each man made a statement warning other Iraqis about working for the United States.

"You ruin your life and you lose and you get killed," one man said.

At the prompting of their captors, the men several times repeated in Arabic, "Ramadi is the city of the mujahedeen."

It's unclear from the video where the beheadings were carried out.

Wedding party attacked
The attack on the wedding party was carried out in the town of Youssifiya by a suicide bomber driving an ambulance, authorities said.

At least 38 people were taken to Baghdad hospitals for treatment, authorities said. The wedding was Shiite; the population of Youssifiya is mostly Sunni.

The blast was the latest in a string of attacks Friday, including a car bombing near a Shiite mosque in the Iraqi capital that killed at least 14 worshippers and wounded 42 others, Iraqi police said.

The worshippers had gathered outside the Shouhada al-Taf mosque after morning prayers.

Friday was Eid al-Adha, or Feast of Sacrifice, marking the end of Muslims' pilgrimage, or Hajj, to Mecca.

Also Friday, a U.S. soldier was killed and another wounded while raiding a bomb-making cell north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said. His death brought to 1,371 the number of U.S. troops who have died in the Iraq war.

The latest attacks came a day after a top Iraqi police official said Thursday that intelligence sources estimate 150 car bombs and 250 suicide attackers are prepared to strike as the January 30 elections near.

Other developments

Eight Chinese hostages held by a group calling itself the "Islamic Resistance Movement" in Iraq have been freed, an official from the Chinese Embassy said Saturday. (Full story)


The commander of three British troops accused of mistreating Iraqi detainees testified Friday that he had ordered his troops to crack down on looters. (Full story)


Five Danish soldiers have been charged with abusing Iraqi prisoners during interrogations in southern Iraq, a Danish government spokesman said. The soldiers allegedly forced Iraqi prisoners to maintain painful positions at Danish military headquarters near Basra, the spokesman said.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/22/iraq.main/index.html

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I find it interesting that next to the story of murderers freely and openly beheading Iraqi truck drivers (apparently without consequence) is another story about Danish soldiers under investigation for making prisoners 'stand in an uncomfortable position'.
Pure gold for people who enjoy irony. Otherwise, another scrupulously objective report from CNN.

It's time to call this thing what it is...a hot war, and conduct it as such. Screw the specter of a 'civil war'. We're not fighting for hearts and minds here. This is no 'insurgency' by indigenous freedom fighters. This is a fight to the death against enemies sworn to harm and destroy us by any means available.
 
Yes, fighting to the death. I'm sure you know alot about that as you were probably a Navy Seal right. I just looked out the window and didn't see any Iraqi's running around looking to kill me... Where are they?? Oh that's right, they're over in Iraq...

Can anyone on this board (without scouring the internet) post who is up for election in Iraq? Bush's wet dream is a dictator who is a lap dog for the executive, but we must give the illusion of free elections.

Here's how it breaks down: Free elections do not happen with a large miltary presence in a country OR a large insurgent presence in a country.

Then to top it off, make matters worse by disarming the populace so that they're all scared stiff and have no way of defending themselves or their families.


You cannot GIVE people freedom, they have to want it and want it badly enough to fight for and win it. I don't see that in Iraq. Perhaps you see something different?
 
I'm sure that it's hard to see anything clearly in Iraq if you base your perception on teevee and printed papers, and the errornet.

I think it's fair to assert that, when being pursued by people who would like to behead you with a dull knife on camera, for effect, that 'fight to the death' is merely an undramatic literal term. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Distance does lessen the risk, I have to agree. But people who are willing to do that, as well as blow themselves up just to disrupt, say, a wedding party, have a point of view that is somewhat difficult to change.

OTOH, if all we wanted was to assure ourselves of a zero-threat situation from someplace in the middle-east, then that has an easy solution. Unfortunately, easy solutions generally bring more difficult problems. Which brings us to doing things the 'hard way'.

We actually had a friendly, all-powerful 'dictator' in Iraq, post-Saddam. His name was Paul Bremer, and he could do just about anything he desired there, subject to GW's disapproval. But, for some odd reason, he turned most of his responsibilities and authority over to the Iraqi's and left.
 
P'S...
I never claimed any military experience whatsoever.

This election is to choose representatives to write a permanent Iraqi constitution. It is made up of candidates from across all of the varied groups in Iraq.
I believe that the only people prohibited are Baathists.

Very few of the people running around killing people are Iraqi. The are a conglomeration of terrorists from many Islamic states. If they weren't there killing folks, they may well be here killing folks. Opinions vary.

We have a large military presence in this country...didn't we just have a free election? Afghanistan has both a large military presence and an 'insurgency'...didn't they just have free elections?
Northern Ireland had both for years; they hold free elections. There are dozens of others, but even you get the point.
 
lead by example...

You might agree with me or not? Lead by example is what we try to do as a free nation with so many wonderful rights and freedoms. So why is it a free election can't be held under tight security? You have to explain how they could have a more safe election without a high security measure established? You assume that once the election is over the no firearms rule will still be present.... are you kidding? This rule was made to figure out or at least try to figure out Good guy - Bad guy.......seems like it is a real smart idea. No matter what goes on day to day the Bush haters will bitc* and moan. I wasn't a fan of Clinton but I stood behind him because liked it or not he was the executive branch boss......... It seems that no matter what is done or isn't done the Bush hate team will never be happy....... rain or shine it's his fault and we should get him out of there....the world hates us and on and on........... Your falling apart and it looks like you need to tighten the strings and increase what ever meds help you get through your issues and 4 more years.....

Go ahead and call me anything........ I can take it.......... I am an American... :D
 
It reminds me of the 1776 Delaware Constitution ...

ART. 28. To prevent any violence or force being used at the said elections, no person shall come armed to any of them, and no muster of the militia shall be made on that day
 
Iraqi Interior Minister Falah Al-Nakib in Baghdad on Saturday announces new election security measures.

Old story about a man ship wrecked on an island with a horse and a wild lion. The man told the horse" "Together we can kill the lion and be safe. I'll make a spear and we will use your speed to run down the lion."

So he made the spear and the horse let him climb up on his back.. they ran down and killed the lion. The horse said:

"We can live in peace now... get down off my back.:

The man said: "Giddy up!"

Wait until you see the "giddy up" in the new Allawi regime when they crack down on freedom in the name of security.
 
I'll bet

Whoever out of the over 200 candiates wins this so-called election will soon be on Haliburtons payroll anyway.
 
P'S...
I never claimed any military experience whatsoever.

So then what have you sacrificed to aid us in this war against the "enemies who have sworn to harm and destroy us by any means available", since you believe in it so?

Very few of the people running around killing people are Iraqi.

How can you say that with a straight face? I know you have not been there and know nothing of what you're saying. The media reports seem to indicate that most of them are Iraqi's. But then the media is all just a bunch of "liberals" right.

We have a large military presence in this country...didn't we just have a free election? Afghanistan has both a large military presence and an 'insurgency'...didn't they just have free elections?
Northern Ireland had both for years; they hold free elections. There are dozens of others, but even you get the point.

We don't have an occupational presence in this country. Think a little before you type. Might I ad that the founding fathers warning against a standing army because it is harmful to democracy? But then they were all just ignorant slave holders right? Just using your left/right sillyness against you...it's so easy.

No, I don't call that free elections in Trashcanistan. Karzai or whatever his name is was paraded around for how long before he was installed? State of the Union speech ring a bell either? Think freely for a few seconds.

Northern Ireland had free elections my arse. You really are beyond help.
 
"Chairman of the Afghan Interim Authority Hamid Karzai"

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Chalabi would have been installed in Iraq if his past hadn't caught up to him before the selection er I mean election.
 
Danish Government......

Yes, the media has told the story of 5 Danish troops being charged with making the enemy prisoners stand in an uncomfortable position........

You have got to be F-ing kidding me........... I thought the Danish were a touch more educated than that.....wait it's the Danish (UN) Government I correct myself....I think their bad - bad soldiers too....nawty nawty boys.... those bullies were mean to those nice enemy soldiers....... What a bunch of non-combat idiots trying to play friends of the world......hope those trying to
be friendly with the world slip on a nanner peal and fall to their deaths down the basement stairs.........what a**holes........... :D


I hope someone can tell me more to this story cause I won't say I'm sorry unit I hear something like........ "They made them brush their teeth before bed too" ;)
 
So then what have you sacrificed to aid us in this war against the "enemies who have sworn to harm and destroy us by any means available", since you believe in it so?
And you? You now feel that current combat service is required to have an opinion, or just an opinion contrary to yours? Seems a tad hypocritical.
Here's how it breaks down: Free elections do not happen with a large miltary presence in a country OR a large insurgent presence in a country.
Pure nonsense.
 
The logistics might be something to deal with, but as dangerous as it might get there, I don't think I'd walk to the polling booth without a firearm. Heck, I don't even do that here!
 
You know, this whole whining about imperfect elections thing bores me. Do you know how long it took US to get it right here in the states? We disenfranchised half the freakin' population (women) until what, 1920?

And we managed to "highly discourage" a significant percentage of our population from voting up until about 60 years ago (blacks prior to the Voting Rights Act).

And until...(darn it...where's my copy of the Bill of Rights?...nevermind)...the Vietnam era, we didn't let the 18 year-old kids out taking bullets for the flag cast ballots.

So this doesn't happen overnight. News freakin' flash. Took our own country about 200 years to get this far.

And Afghanistan just held a pretty darn good election, all things considered (remember those "all things?" the Taliban, the stonings of women, the demolition of schools that actually taught people to read, the shocking lack of working infrastructure in that country?). Perfect, heck no, but a good start at learning a process that, if they're lucky, will let them experience the joys of Florida 2000 in a few years.

And Iraq? A work in progress. Not everybody is going to vote in Iraq. And they're going to vote for candidates who've been hiding their candidacies because of fear (don't you kind of wish our candidates would hide while running??? :p ). And once they've voted, the folks they elect are going to assume positions of significant power in their country.

And the goal is - read slow now - when Iraq holds the NEXT round of elections, more people, including the Sunnis who are sitting this one out in a fit of sour grapes, will vote. Because they will have seen that the guy who gets the most votes gets the job, not the guy who yammers out threats on shady TV networks.

And that is the goal. Building a tradition of electing representation in a couple of countries with absolutely NO IDEA how that all works. And it isn't easy or instant.

And for godsake - we're not "disarming Iraqis." Iraqis (who are not caught trying to kill Coalition forces) are allowed to have firearms for personal protection. The regs governing personal possesion of firearms allow more freedom to a law abiding citizen of Mosul than a law abiding citizen of Fresno, CA, enjoys.
 
And you? You now feel that current combat service is required to have an opinion, or just an opinion contrary to yours? Seems a tad hypocritical.

What would I do for a cause I don't support? Seems a tad insane??? Nobody said combat service is required to have an opinion, far from it, but it's good to know which horse's mouth the commentary is coming from. It's easy to be for sending other people's children off to a foreign land to die in a war for profit.

Pure nonsense.

Pure logic. When most people are afraid to go to the voting centers (Iraq), that is not a free election. The candidates are not of the Iraqi people's choosing and the whole thing is a scam and a joke.
 
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I'm sure you know alot about that as you were probably a Navy Seal right.


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Nobody said combat service is required to have an opinion

You sure got caught up in a really poor bluff, now, didn't you :p
 
I saw nothing in your post to indicate an attack from a Lazy-boy recliner, but so be it. It is apparently a fair question for you to ask, so I will ask you-what have you done? And what is your basis in your forecast for the elections being rigged/fouled?
 
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