Thoughts on "Unintended Consequences"

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Interesting comments on this book.

I find it interesting than almost no one (of the posts I read) seems to object to the premeditatied murder portrayed therein.

Maybe it's because I carried a badge before I retired but killing someone just because you disagree with them isn't something to be proud of or admire.

Flame away!

Dave T
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gopher a 45:
I think that CS's post was a clumsy attempt at sarcasm, or just a stupid troll[/quote]

This is the Central Scrutinizer…

In the spirit of brevity I won't even address 45King's post as it was properly addressed by Moderator Volk.

Yours, however, is another matter. A clumsy attempt? Might have been clumsy for you understanding it but a few members understood exactly the point I was making.

And while I do Lurk and only post when things need to be closely scrutinized I am far from a troll.

Donny fully understands the point I was making. Books, Music, TV, the Internet are not dangerous... they are mediums.

Paliden press just dropped lots of capital defending publishing a book... and while they didn't lose a legal battle they settled.

This Country and it's people are treading on a very slipery slope. Unless people wake up soon our children will be waking up in a very different United States than we knew as a child.

Stupid? You may look at it at that... I'm narrow minded. I tend to look at most things in a Constitution light and how changing that could effect that light.

Dangerous Book? When a book is considered dangerous, the next step is to ban it, when one is banned others will follow. Just look at our current firearms laws and the ones they are trying to push though. First the gun, then the books? What will be after that? Papers needed to move from State to State, Road side Police Checks for the proper papers (oh what... that is already happening), Files on Each Person in the Country (oh wait again...)

No matter what your opinion of UC, the book is definately a wake-up call.



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Dave T wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Maybe it's because I carried a badge before I retired but killing someone just because you disagree with them isn't something to be proud of or admire.[/quote]

Killing someone isn't anything to be proud of, no matter what the circumstances, period. However, duty sometimes requires killing. In the UC scenario, those people who died were enemies of liberty and freedom, and such despots deserve death. It would be nice to achieve that end by arresting, trying, and convicting them, but when the system for doing so is totally broken and skewed in the opposite direction, it won't happen. So.....


To CS: I was only half awake when I read this thread this AM, and after re-reading, I realize that you were being sarcastic. Please disregard previous post. Sorry. :o



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To Matt vdw and Stoic in regards Henry Bowman's long term exposure to lead, I am almost 60 and not only have I cast a lot of lead, I have melted down old batteries for their lead and, for about 15 years, lived in a place, while working as a mechanic, that all I had to wash parts in was leaded gas, barehanded. It doesn't seem to have harmed me yet. While my health may not be perfect, none of my problems are of the sort associated with lead. I guess I must have picked the right grandparents. crankshaft
 
Dave T.

This was not premeditated murder. This was defense of liberty and freedom and self through pre-emptive strikes. It was war against slavery, and a government that was so far out of line that there was no other recourse.



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CS -

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>This Country and it's people are treading on a very slipery slope. Unless people wake up soon our children will be waking up in a very different United States than we knew as a child.[/quote]

It's already too late. I'm 35 and when I wake in the morning it's not to the same United States I knew as a child. Things have degraded SO much in my life it's scary.

PaulB
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I find it interesting than almost no one (of the posts I read) seems to object to the premeditatied murder portrayed therein.[/quote]

Please go back and look at my message regarding the "Billy Dell" story within the story.

Henry Bowman's murder campaign is obviously the most controversial part of UC. I have tried to avoid discussing it thus far because I wanted to discuss some other parts of the book before opening that particular can of worms.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Maybe it's because I carried a badge before I retired but killing someone just because you disagree with them isn't something to be proud of or admire.[/quote]

Actually, Henry Bowman (in his "Wilson Blair" messages) makes it clear that he's not targeting people over a difference of opinion, and in fact he doesn't kill any anti-gun lobbyists. (I don't think he'd be dropping napalm on the Million Moms, either. ;) )

Henry's rationale is that the federal agents are "fair game" because they operate illegally (planting evidence, using blank warrants, siezing property, using excessive force). The murders are, in his view, pre-emptive self defense made necessary by the fact that gun owners' only alternative is to be hunted down, one by one.

The politicians are killed not because of their opinions or their exercise of free speech, but because their votes have been instrumental in enacting unconstitutional (and hence illegal) laws.

Also, Henry takes pains to use violence as selectively as possible. He doesn't blow up entire buildings or spray offices with machinegun fire. He doesn't encourage mobs to riot in the street, either.

Still, murder is murder and it is very disturbing. One of the things that bothers me about UC is that it portrays the feds as such incompetent dolts that killing them is a relatively easy option. In reality, I think that anyone trying to pull a "Wilson Blair" would be caught in the act or hammered by a massive crackdown before getting very far.
 
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