they claim it works with heavy clothing and bare chest lol
Bullets go through you unless you have Body armor designed for a caliber defence. I highly doubt a few layers of heavy jackets can stop a bullet, its just leather/fluff, it isnt kevlar. Any gun is going to kill, it's all about placement shots. Look at the wars, people were hit and kept fighting in some cases.
Want some stopping power? get a S&W 500
BTT, you should swap ammo once every 6~12 months. I have no idea how this topic on handgun ammo got to rifle ammo, thats not what the OP is talking about, he is talking about SD carrying. Not carrying a rifle
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