Those of you wanting to buy a CZ

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Just thought I would re-post from another forum. This time, no guess work, right from the horses mouth.

"First, there is NO cover up!

We try very hard here at CZ to be open and honest with our customers, How many manufactures would say that “the extractor/spring filling up with gunk “ is a design flaw, most would pass if off as operator error.

We told you that this is a place to look out for.

And if you think that your extractor is too tight if rounds dribble out when hand cycled, its because you are not moving the slide at nearly the velocity required to eject the round.

A tight extractor causes feeding problems, not extraction/ejection.

Thank you

Martin Bordson
CZ-USA"

The full story can be seen at:
http://pub69.ezboard.com/fczechpistols82792frm15.showMessage?topicID=51.topic

if that link doesn't work it's in www.czforum.com in the "home gunsmithing" forum.

CZ-USA is admitting their is a design flaw with the CZ75/85 series of guns. Apparantly carbon will build up under the extractor causing extraction problems. They reccomend taking the extractor out to clean it every 3-500 rounds. This involves punching out the pin that holds the extractor in place. Just FYI.

I bought my CZ to be a workhorse for training. It seems to sit on the shelf with problems more than at the range. Of course it is very useful for clearing drills :-)
 
I have had no problems of any kind with my cz85b and my round count is over 7000 rounds without any of of the problems that you have encountered.
 
I'm not saying anyone WILL have problems. Just posting that CZ-USA admitted to a design flaw in the gun. I do not want to start a war on this. Just thought it was useful info.
 
jrf: Sorry to hear about your CZ woes. My PCR Compact has been flawless thorugh more than 2,000 rounds and my old 75B never gave me, nor the friend I sold it to, a lick of trouble. Most CZ owners report similar results. Sounds like yours is the exception to the rule. Bummer...

Take care. Marko
 
I've had three CZs: a CZ-75B (now sold), a CZ-85 Combat, and a CZ-40B. They are among the most reliable guns I've ever had. And I've had (and have) a bunch.

I've also gone for a month or two of regular shooting with my CZ-85 Combat, NOT CLEANING it after range sessions -- that's probably 500 - 800 rounds. (I regularly shoot other guns, too.) Again, no problem.

I have several friends who also have CZs. None of us have experienced any problems having to do with gunk or extraction or problems like those described in your earlier message. The problems I have had were mag related; I got better mags.

The article you reference was in response to a bunch of guys contacting CZ about an "extractor" problem they had heard about on the internet. Sort of like an urban myth. I think the gunsmith at CZ was tired of dealing with fantasies.

I've probably put 7000-8000 rounds through the CZ-85 Combat.
Without anything like an extraction or feed problem.

Design flaw? Not that I can tell.
 
Many rounds and counting, never cleaned under the extractor . . . flawless.

Hard to believe it is a serious problem. . . maybe with dirty ammo?

Shake

:rolleyes:
 
I have yet to have a feeding problem with my CZ with over 5K rounds through it. The most I've shot in one range session was 250 rds. I've always had the habit of doing a general cleaning of ANY gun that puts 100 rds or more down range as soon as I return home before stowing it away in the safe. Could this be why I haven't had a problem with mine?? Could be... But I've never felt the need to do a detail strip of my CZ including removing the extractor for cleaning yet...

Rick
 
Ditto, ditto, ditto. I've got a CZ75 and had a CZ40. Absolutely no problems whats-so-ever. I pull the trigger and the shells go flyin'. That's my experience. Best Regards, J. Parker
 
All the CZ pistols in our possession have been exceptionally reliable.

The "design flaw" story about the CZ-75B is a surprise. The design has been around since 1975 and has been in use around the world (not to mention the fact that it is one of the most copied handgun designs).

Skorzeny
 
CZ's

jrf, are you familiar with the CZ75? It is one of the most influential (most copied) designs ever, second only to the M1911 in this regard.

The actual # of people who reported problems was three. This issue then took on a life of its own, so much so that CZ USA started charging for spare extractors (instead of giving them away under their three year warranty to anyone who requested one).

A magazine did a 10,000 round test of the CZ75 a few years ago, with flying colors. Many believe it would easily have won the service competition to replace the M1911, but it wasn't included because at the time it was a communist company.

But 10,000 rounds isn't considered the limit. A commercial range dealer has a number of CZ's with in excess of 30,000 rounds through them. The number is so high because other pistols have worn out and been replaced, while the CZed keeps going.
People buy CZ's to shoot - a gun sitting in a closet never breaks. What are you shooting?
 
failure to extract

I'm one of the people on the CZ forum that posted regarding a failure to extract. 1 failure in the first 400 rounds (shell got caught sideways in the port).

What I haven't mentioned is since then, in about another 500-800 rounds, I haven't had one failure to feed, extract, or ignite. Oh, and I haven't cleaned it in that time either, just some lube on the slide rails every now and again.

I'm VERY happy with my pistol, and am quite confident in it. Now, I gotta break it out and give it a good scrubbin'. :)

Cedric
 
I have cz-97B and it ate up more than 2000 rounds already, and I've never pay attention to gunk under extractor, never have any problem either,
really happy with it.
 
Like I said, I really didn't mean to start a war. "I" didn't claim it was a design problem. CZ-USA did that. That is why I posted the message. I thought others might be interested. There is NO doubt my CZ75 compact has problems. Maybe that is the problem is that it is a compact. I talked directly to Mike the gunsmith at CZ, and he personally ALSO told me it was a design flaw. That makes 2 CZ-USA employees that claimed this flaw. Now it's possible that they just said this to passify a customer that was having problems with his pistol. But I was clearly told that I needed to remove the extractor and clean under it every 3-500 rounds.

To all you CZ advocates mad at me, I LIKE CZs. I currently own 2, the 75 compact and the 97b. So far the 97b has been flawless. I just got into IDPA and want to use the 75. I've had nothing but problems with it so far. I'll gladly trade someone who's gun runs perfectly if they don't believe me :-)

So then the question is, if there is no design flaw, then why did they tell me that?

BTW,
Walt, "Sort of like an urban myth" - no urban myth here. I have extraction problems. No question about it.

Shake/Bandit "maybe with dirty ammo?" - Very good question. I was asking that same thing on the forum. Trying to figure out if I was doing anything different. Cleaning differently, etc.

VVG "What are you shooting?" - My 97b and my Charles Daly.

Ledbetter "A gun that needs cleaning? Who would've thought. Thanks for the warning." - Thanks for your intelligent insight.
 
Thanks so much for trying to cause a panic!! Just means I'll be able to buy more CZ's even CHEAPER!!!;)

I now have about 450 rounds through my 75B Mil (2 consecutive days WITHOUT ANY CLEANING!) and experienced no FTF/FTE - in fact no problems whatsoever.

And I've now tried probably 6 or 7 different brands of ammo, including several mags of Wolf and Norinco and Fiocci (dirty shooters IMO).

Needless to say, I'm EXTREMELY happy w/ my purchase!! Now just trying to decide what to get next - the 97B or the 75 Compact PCR.:cool:
 
You're welcome jrf

I am always amazed when someone has a perfectly reliable model of gun that they claim just won't function correctly. Frankly, I can't get mine to malfunction even if I don't clean it for six months. Here's some more insight:

"We try very hard here at CZ to be open and honest with our customers, How many manufactures would say that 'the extractor/spring filling up with gunk' is a design flaw, most would pass if off as operator error. We told you that this is a place to look out for."

[Edited to add:] It doesn't sound to me that anyone but you is claiming that a design flaw causes the extractor to fill up with gunk. CZ is telling you, if you need to be told, that this "is a place to look out for," and that most (if not all) manufacturers "would say that 'the extractor/spring filling up with gunk' ... would ... pass ... as ... operator error."

When my 1911 slide needs detail strip cleaning, I don't blame the designer.

If you have recurring extraction problems with your CZ and factory ammo, you should send it back to them right quick and they will return to you a pistol that functions correctly.

Please let us know when you find a superior handgun design.
 
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CZ75

JRF, what state are you in? What do you want for your 75B? How many magazines do you have, is it blued or polymer, and what year manufacture is it (on the slide).
 
I am willing to help!

jrf...
I am willing to lend my services to you and your company. Please send me any one of your guns, and I will be more than happy to test it for you at no charge:D As a matter of fact...send me one of those having troubles..(I'll clean it):D

Please e-mail me if you need to know where to send me a CZ75.

sincerely, your volunteer CZ tester
RH Factor
 
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