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Those of you in a shall-issue state: do you want a California CCW?
- Thread starter Jim March
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vranasaurus
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The interstate commerce and full faith and crdit clauses.
Back to answering the OP's question:
No. I have no interest in getting a Cali CCW. None whatsoever.
I have written off the whole left coast as being one long boycott zone. One big long leftist hellhole, and I have no desire to prop them up with the sales tax/hotel tax/various other lefty tax money that my presence would bring, even on vacation. I'm not setting foot there. I'll not spend one thin dime there. Phooey on them. So -- why bother going through the bother of becoming CCW legal there? :barf::barf::barf:
No. I have no interest in getting a Cali CCW. None whatsoever.
I have written off the whole left coast as being one long boycott zone. One big long leftist hellhole, and I have no desire to prop them up with the sales tax/hotel tax/various other lefty tax money that my presence would bring, even on vacation. I'm not setting foot there. I'll not spend one thin dime there. Phooey on them. So -- why bother going through the bother of becoming CCW legal there? :barf::barf::barf:
Since neither has anything whatsoever to do with CC, I ask again what constitutional authority would congress have to do such a thing?The interstate commerce and full faith and crdit clauses.
I would submit there is no constitutional authority for it, but that has never stopped them before.
ilbob, I'm not an expert, but I assume it would be the same constitutional authority they use to make sure your Illinois driver's license is recognised in Nevada. Or the marriage license for a man and his wife issued in Florida is valid in Alaska. I believe the 1st Section of the 14th Amendment covers it:
No state shall enforce any law which shall abridge my privilege to carry a concealed firearm under my Nevada Concealed Firearm Permit.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
No state shall enforce any law which shall abridge my privilege to carry a concealed firearm under my Nevada Concealed Firearm Permit.
Sorry to disabuse you of your misplaced constitution, jfrey123. The Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution nor the Privileges and Immunutues clause of the 14th speak to nothing about individual State licensing schemes.
Drivers Licenses are recognized by the States in the exact same manner that the States recognize CCW's. Individual State reciprocity agreements. In some cases, States have actually legislated full recognition of any other States licensing.
The Feds have no actual authority to force any State to recognize another States licenses. Full Stop.
Drivers Licenses are recognized by the States in the exact same manner that the States recognize CCW's. Individual State reciprocity agreements. In some cases, States have actually legislated full recognition of any other States licensing.
The Feds have no actual authority to force any State to recognize another States licenses. Full Stop.
vranasaurus
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Since neither has anything whatsoever to do with CC, I ask again what constitutional authority would congress have to do such a thing?
I would submit there is no constitutional authority for it, but that has never stopped them before.
That is your interpretation and not the Congress' or the Supreme Court's.
The interstate commerce clause has been used to allow the feds to dip into a great many areas that used to be off limits.
The congress could use those two clauses as it's justification for mandating nationwide reciprocity. You could probably throw in the 2A as well.
At that point a state like Massuchusets, California, or New York would challenge that law in federal court.
Don't we have federal peace officer carry? What constitutional authority allowed them to do that?
Honestly? none.Don't we have federal peace officer carry? What constitutional authority allowed them to do that?
reality is cops have an enormous amount of political clout.
In California, it's the Government Code that allows federal agents within the state to have both "police" status and carry firearms. If the Federal gov't created a new department (like DHS) and the person was hired specifically as a DHS agent, it's possible that the code would not technically cover them as written. But the A.G. will usually issue a "memorandum" that says the State recognizes them.Don't we have federal peace officer carry? What constitutional authority allowed them to do that?
LEOSA 2004 covers active & retired LEOS, even in CA. The language includes reference to "a concealed firearm that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce,a firearm transported in interstate commerce", using interstate commerce as the rational for jurisdiction in pre-empting virtually all state concealed carry statutes. It does not convey police powers.
Nick
Nick