This will make you scratch your head. USAF has gone nuts.

If an enemy is shooting at our troops, wouldnt it make sense to shoot them back.Seems cheap and low tech but it works.


It might appear less lethal but the end result would still be the same,just slower.Burning up or damaging internal organs with doses of microwaves will passivate people just as well as the low tech way.
 
Touche'! Enjoy your illusion and may your chains set lightly upon you.

When you see them on the streets with those things, reassure yourself that they're there to help the citizenry and are on your side.:rolleyes:

Allright smart cookies, tell me what possible benefit the American people will get by the .gov using microwave guns on them. Maybe I'm missing the benevolency in this?

Anybody ever seen one of these devices? How big are they?
 
I agree with you Edward. Read the posts again, I thought it was pretty funny. Well, maybe a little funny in a junior high kind of way.:)

badbob
 
The good general is staking out a defense in preparation for the day when US military personnel are hauled before world courts for crimes.

This little article tells me there bad mojo coursing through our military. CIA agents buying liability insurance, interrogators wanting techniques spelled out in US law, and now generals papering their backsides. Bad. Bad. Bad.
 
I'm against it. Every movie I've seen where the government tests things on people either wipes out all the people on Earth except for a few people in bunkers, or creates a horde of zombies:eek: . So all those "Best round for zombie" threads may not have been in vain. Remember, HEADSHOTS!
 
Microwaves will cook you, soft tissues first. Stand at the front of the crowd, maybe get blinded and have your lips cooked. Everybody will get a bit toasted -- enough energy to get your attention is enough energy to do you immediate harm.

For other effects, do a websearch for HERF gun, and learn the fun you can have with an old microwave oven and police radar.

Microwave weapons have one benefit: Look, Ma: no precise aiming! It'd be kinder to shoot into crowds and statistically safer to be in a crowd being shot at than one that's being microwaved.

The Japanese did work along these lines during WW II and were able to zap "monkeys" (possibly humans, there was a tendancy to describe experimental subjects as monkeys even when they were people). The equipment was very bulky and getting really high power levels was a problem. Affecting electrical and electronic systems required very close ranges.

What's next? Zyklon-B?
 
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I've read articles on the HERF gun, very interesting piece of machinery, I'm sure the students in engineering have probably done projects like that. Kinda wish I could use one when people are driving recklessly because of their cell phones!!:D :D :D


Epyon
 
Uhmm.. There appears to be a little bit of confusion about the use and risk of the "Microwave Gun" .

It is a crowd control device for use in the many situations where a response is needed that is "somewhere in between a bullhorn and a bullet".

Active Denial Technology uses a transmitter to send a narrow beam of 95-GHz millimeter waves towards an identified subject. Traveling at the speed of light, the energy reaches the subject and penetrates less than 1/64 of an inch into the skin, quickly heating up the skin's surface. The 95-GHz energy penetrates 1/64 inch into the skin and produces an intense burning sensation that stops when the transmitter is switched off or when the individual moves out of the beam. Within seconds, an individual feels an intense heating sensation that stops when the transmitter is shut off or when the individual moves out of the beam. According to reports, a 2-second burst from the system can heat the skin to a temperature of 130° F. At 50 °C, the pain reflex makes people pull away automatically in less than a second. Someone would have to stay in the beam for 250 seconds before it burnt the skin,

Despite the sensation, the technology does not cause injury because of the low energy levels used. It exploits a natural defense mechanism that helps to protect the human body from damage. The heat-induced sensation caused by this technology, is nearly identical to the sensation experienced by briefly touching an ordinary light bulb that has been left on for a while. Unlike a light bulb, however, active denial technology will not cause rapid burning, because of the shallow penetration of the beam and the low levels of energy used. The transmitter needs only to be on for a few seconds to cause the sensation.

Air Force scientists helped set the present skin safety threshold of 10 milliwatts per square centimetre in the early 1990s, when little data was available. That limit covers exposure to steady fields for several minutes to an hour - but heating a layer of skin 0.3 mm thick to 50 °C in just one second requires much higher power and may pose risks to the cornea, which is more sensitive than skin. A study published last year in the journal Health Physics showed that exposure to 2 watts per square centimeter for three seconds
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Microwave ovens use about 2.45 GHz, so no it is not the same as a microwave oven.

There is great controversy over risks in it's usage. Ain't going there, no way no how, I do not know enough for a valid opinion and no one is going to ask me anyway:p .

Realisticly though how many times have you seen on MSM riots/marches/"spontaneous" uprisings where there "just happens" to be someone with a camera?

Do you realy want US troops to open fire on crowds of people who have many children/females/idiots/coerced/forced/martyr wannabes ( SP?:confused: ) who will be filmed being slaughtered by US troops.

Yes, the US unit could usually protect itself by opening fire with normal weapons but to say that that would be counterproductive to what we want and what we say we want would be a understatement of unbelivable magnitude.

Besides the killing and maiming on the crowd consider the effects on our troops. Slaughtering people is bad for all concerned. Sometimes our enemies manage to "set up" our forces either by design or accident into killing civilans like that. The purpose of this device is to reduce the number of times that that occurs IMHO.

As for testing it on US Citizens before deploying it overseas, I am against it only because that would slow down our troops getting this device.

NukemJim
 
Nukejim: Try this'n on for size: if it "penetrates 1/64 inch into the skin and produces an intense burning sensation that stops when the transmitter is switched off or when the individual moves out of the beam," what's that doing to your eyes? (Cooking the lens and boiling the aqueous humor). What's it doing to jewelry? (Heating it up up up, is what. Nice ear-brands ya got there). What happens when they deploy it on a big crowd and the ones in front can't move out of the beam? Think the po-lice will remember to shut it off after two seconds -- or just sweep the crowd until they get results? Remember "shoot to stop?" It'll be "beam to stop," too.

More like a bullwhip than a bullhorn -- and intended to be so. It's a slave lash for the 21st century.

It's not a good sign.

As for "our enemies," the Federal goverment of the United States of America made most of 'em, trained most of 'em, gave 'em a good start in the world. If the Feds have to go fight 'em, let 'em send Congresscritters. Let 'em send Bureaucrats. Let the Commander-in-Chief get his own precious self over there an' do some commanding. Osama and Saddam were Our Little Helpers not so very long ago -- and they were just as bloody-handed then as they were in 2001. I'm sorry honestly patriotic kids from Kansas have to go get their guts shot out and their legs blown off by guys who do, in fact, want to hurt them and who are very ill-disposed towards the United States and each and every one of us citizens -- but to pretend our boys are over there defending anything but a string of sorry mistakes and that the enemies they face are against us just 'cos those foes and their leaders are insanely evil is to ignore history and be a tool for some of the very worst elements in government.

Y'know who I'd like to see the microwave gun used on? The spineless, manipulative rats that got us into this mess, along with every tinpot leader and revolutionary they ever cynically propped up to be used as a cat's paw. Fat chance!
 
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Weren't they testing an ultrasonic beam, intended for use in crowd control, that causes abdominal cramps and loss of bowel control?
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Ah, the elusive "Brown Note". I saw that one on Mythbusters. Those guys couldn't get it to work, but at least they were willing to try it on themselves.
 
Gone are the days when the "American fighting man" was justified in killing the enemy. Nowadays its non-lethal weapons, cumbersome rules of engagement and "cultural sensitivity training" before you ever get to a combat zone. I think its time for me to seek employment elsewhere.
 
There is great controversy over risks in it's usage. Ain't going there, no way no how
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Me quoting myself because some people do not read.

Either what I write or on the tests that have been performed.

NukemJim
 
Yeah Nukem, I’ve noticed that a lot on this board lately. Notice my post and then Samurai’s earlier in this thread, for another example of the same thing. It's not just my posts, I see lots of other posters in the same boat. Lately posting to this forum is like pissing into the wind. Doesn’t matter what facts, opinion, or knowledge you might bring to the table, if you have anything positive to say about our government, for the most part, your comments get glossed right over. Whatever. :rolleyes: Other people besides those actively posting to the thread read what gets written.
 
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