This will make you scratch your head. USAF has gone nuts.

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ir Force secretary advises testing non-lethal weapons on citizens


Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.

Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

The Air Force has funded research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service isn't likely to spend more money on development until injury issues are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.

Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people if they are hit with the beam. Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also can be effective in disabling some electronic devices.

On another subject, Wynne said he expects to pick a new contractor for the next generation of aerial refueling tankers by next summer. He said a draft request for bids will be put out next month, and there are two qualified bidders: The Boeing Co. and a team of Northrop Grumman Corp. and European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., the majority owner of European jet maker Airbus SAS.

The contract is expected to be worth at least $20 billion.

Chicago-based Boeing lost the tanker deal in 2004 amid revelations that it had hired a top Air Force acquisitions official who had given the company preferential treatment.

Wynne also said the Air Force, which is already chopping 40,000 active duty, civilian and reserves jobs, is now struggling to find new ways to slash about $1.8 billion from its budget to cover costs from the latest round of base closings.

He said he can't cut more people, and it would not be wise to take funding from military programs that are needed to protect the country. But, he said he also encounters resistance when he tries to save money on operations and maintenance by retiring aging aircraft.

"We're finding out that those are, unfortunately, prized possessions of some congressional districts," said Wynne, adding that the Air Force will have to "take some appetite suppressant pills." He said he has asked employees to look for efficiencies in their offices.

The base closings initially were expected to create savings by reducing Air Force infrastructure by 24 percent.



By Lolita C. Baldor, Associated Press Writer


(Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=134323
 
Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Secretary Michael Wynne.

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."
This is great. The Secretary of the Air Force has been so thoroughly indoctrinated into liberalism that he believes it's better to use our own citizens as guinea pigs rather than risk a bit of bad press.

The alternative for crowd control is tear gas and fire hoses. The alternative for enemy combatants is probably a bullet. Would any enemy combatants choose a bullet over a blast from a non- or less-lethal weapon? I doubt it. The only people who would complain are writers for the liberal press.
 
Wait a second, lets all watch our knee's carefully here...


He’s not saying that the military should test this weapon on American civilians, just that this weapon should be used here at home before being used abroad. I disagree, but I can understand the train of thought: (paraphrased) “If American cops are able to use this weapon for crowd control without adverse public outcry, then theoretically, the military should be able to use it abroad without much international outcry.”

I don’t see anything in what he said that implies doing things any different than normal for the implementation of a new less than lethal technology. My take on the article was that the secretary is implying they should provide any less than lethal technology to law enforcement so that the law enforcement community can go through their normal testing and eventual use of the weapon, and once that is done the military can look at it for use on the "battlefield".


On a bit of a tangent, this is what happens when you have such an emphasis on less than lethal weaponry. I’ve said it for years (even on this board), the continued development and greater use of less than lethal weapons is going to bring nothing but headaches for both law enforcement and the military.
 
Well he can always take the approach they did with us at the police academy. We got sprayed with OC pepper spray before we could be certified to carry it. Let this guy take the first hit, then his men. Then they can use it against the bad guys. That way, you and I don't need to have this stuff tested on us.
 
Yeah... I read that article. It sounds like the USAF guy was taken WAY out of context.

I think what he was trying to say, before the press twisted his words around, is that AFTER the weapons are properly tested, they should be made available publicly to LEO's. That way, they won't be considered "super-secret" weapons, and there will be less chance that some tree-hugging hippie is going to start griping that we're being "cruel and unusual" in our treatment of the terrorists in the Middle East.

The way the press wrote it, it sounds like the guy wants to do experimental testing on crowds of civilians. I don't think that's what he meant...
 
I think he should get the first test,afterall, who better then be able to decide what effects or subsequent side effect it has without firsthand experience with the weapon.Can I watch?:D


"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne."


I can see an ad in the local paper for 20 test subjects,paid 10 bucks each.:D
 
Never mind that...

I think he should get the first test,afterall, who better then be able to decide what effects or subsequent side effect it has without firsthand experience with the weapon.Can I watch?

Never mind watching. Can I help???? Pleeeeeeeeze??????:D

Springmom
 
"Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people if they are hit with the beam. Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also can be effective in disabling some electronic devices"

Electronic devises like recorders or camcorders? How about pacemakers?:(

badbob
 
Here's the part I don't understand:

Why are we spending tax dollars to research NON-LETHAL weapons for over seas use?

What happened to the timewhen a war was over when the enemy was dead and all his things were broken?

So we shock the enemy, he recovers in a few hours, and starts shooting back (LETHAL FORCE) at us.
 
Why are we spending tax dollars to research NON-LETHAL weapons for over seas use?
Perpetual war.

We identify enemies. Iran. North Korea. Al Qaeda. Terrorists in general. Drug dealers. Arms dealers. Eastasia.

We fight them with non-lethal weapons. Since they don't die, as long as we have more manpower and better technology, the war continues as long as the enemy's cause lasts.

Perpetual war provides a perpetual reason to give the government more power.
 
So those who don't have the stomach to actually kill the enemy (or give the order to do so) will be able to say something to the effect of "this way, we can capture them and put them on trial..... and if it's an INNOCENT CIVILIAN then the worst we did to them was knock them down and give them a bruise (unless of course, they tripped and broke something..... or were impaled after their fall.... or.....)
 
Perpetual war provides a perpetual reason to give the government more power.


Just hit the nail on the head with that one...War on Drugs, War on Terror, can both be remamed "The War on The BOR".
 
Weren't they testing an ultrasonic beam, intended for use in crowd control, that causes abdominal cramps and loss of bowel control?

I can think of some useful, albiet humorous, applications here at home...
 
The story I read reported he said "Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs"...

What "testy" mobs? Does this clown know something about the future that we don't?
 
These kinds of weapons are for immobilizing large crowds of people so they can move in and kill them quietly with little fuss.

They're putting the info out like this to condition us to not overreact when we see them out there using it on our people. They can't just go around slaughtering crowds of people without the risk of uprising. So they say oh it's non lethal, move along. and get no resistance. This isn't for overseas battlefields, it's for the domestic battlfield. We've already been conditioned to accept the normalcy of military troops moving about our streets and performing operations. The reference to war but tested on citizens is a continuing association of military & domestic law enforcement, to get us used to them using specialized military equipment domestically. They're not worried about what the international community thinks. This is reverse psychology to get us to accept the continued militarization of law enforcement.

Welcome to the NWO.
 
Here's what bugs me...

Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.

Last I checked microwaves can cause cancer, and other genetic defects in living things. As for the idea that we're suddenly switching to non-lethal? Tyme you're right on the idea of perpetual war. We're already in it.


Epyon
 
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