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Bruce, valued friend,

You are doing an honorable thing by staying and spreading the word about conditions. I hope you can get your fellow countrymen to see that they are being treated like subjects, not citizens.

You are welcome here. I'm in for 500 rounds of your favorite ammo.

Regards,

Ledbetter
 
Coinneach - they wouldn't allow Duke Nukem? Hmmm . . . I wonder how they prevented internet downloads...

My Dad had good words to say about the Aussies - during WWII, he and a bunch of his buddies would periodically fly down there in a C-47 which didn't exist (long story) and party when they had some leave. He thought the Aussies were pretty tough - mistake one for a Brit and you had a fight on your hands - but it sounds like it only took 50 years to breed the fight out of them and render them appropriately docile.
 
A couple of points to make:

1. We don't have a Constitution to protect gunownership -- there is nothing to hold up as a legal yardstick -- hence, court battles are a waste of time and money.

2. In my State, there are approx 89 000 gunowners out of a population of approx 2.5 million -- and out of those 89 000 gunowners, only 4 400 belong to the Sporting Shooters Association. The point is, those of us who are vocal and continue to fight are spread m-i-g-h-t-y thin on the ground.

3. HankB
It didn't even take 50 years. When our Labor (left-wing) government came to power in the late 60s, it was after a conservative govt that had ruled since the end of WWII.

The floodgates were opened to every socialist program you can think of -- and then some. The country was, quite literally, turned on its ear in the space of a couple of years. Education was "liberalised", multiculturalism introduced, then equity and anti-sexism, anti-racism, open hatred of "white" Australia and a loathing of our "British" heritage, and the destruction of our military, including banning school cadets. The politicians strutted about calling each other "Comrade".

By the time they were thrown out of parliament in 1972 (literally, they were "sacked" by the Governor-General), the damage was done. The "new" Conservatives (the Liberal party) were far more left-wing than their predecessors, and the "gimme" minorities had tasted blood and wanted more.

The pace accelerated and the "average Aussie" -- the ones your Dad would have known -- were growing old and sadly outnumbered. The lawmakers coming through, the parliamentarians, journalists -- all of them were products of the "liberal" education system.

They'd grown up loathing our history and all we stood for. They were determined to make Australia part of Asia and sever any ties to Britain. Instead of being an ally, America was depicted as a warmongering capitalist society gone off the rails completely, and held up to public ridicule.

Now, the people who grew up with guns, who see them just as another tool to do a specific job, are mostly gone. Guns are equated with Columbine, with Port Arthur, and those who enjoy them portrayed as "potential mass murderers", "dinosaurs", "rednecks" or any other epithet.

So, Hank, yes -- you're right. A lot has been "bred" out of us -- deliberately and with a calculated awareness of what the result would be.

Those few of us left prepared to fight are pitifully small in number -- loud, but few. When we are gone, or silenced, I fear so too will gun ownership go the same way.

As to fighting, physically, to protect our gun "privileges" -- we're not talking about fighting a foreign army of oppression, we're talking insurrection against our own families and friends. There simply are not enough of us. It wouldn't even be a fight -- just picking us off one by one, with appropriate media exposure as "another group of gun fanatics". The media would have a field day -- even the fact I post to TFL is (right now) enough to see me labelled as a "gun nut" or "extremist" and pilloried in the press.

Just a few points in explanation.

B
 
Bruce, don't dispair completely.
Right know we Americans are absorbed in our own fight here at home for the same rights that you want and need. And we have an exellent chance to win with Bush in less than 80 days now.
If we do win, its not entirely clear what we will be able to achieve. Some are optimistic and some are pessimistic.
But if we do win, we may well be in a position to offer you some help. We may well be able to put the pressure upon your Australian, the Canadian and the British governments, both politically and privately.
At the very least, your internal enemies will be on the defensive, as the American government is, quite frankly, of more weight in this world than all of those others combined. America can lead, as the Australian government, for obvious reasons of size and clout, never can.
So don't move until you find out what happens in November. If we win, help may well be on the way. If we don't win, America may not be worth the migration.
A lot is riding on the next 80 days, not only here, but abroad.
 
You need to import some IRA members.They still have their guns.

CMOS some problems require a 7.62 solution!

Your last response Bruce, sounded like american history. :( Remember it aint family and friends its lawyers and politicians. To bad a few of those nazi parliament members coulnt get some "Dingo Justice", kinda messy but very Just for them.

You make it here to Kali, pick me up on way to arizona and you got 2 full 20rd mags of 308.M14 or FAL your pick.
 
Bruce, hold onto your guns. The vast majority MAY be against you at the moment, but if you extrapolate out just a few years your government's current trajectory, they won't be against you for long! Looks from here like Australia is heading towards a police state at about 100 mph.

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
Herodotus and Brett, no flame at all but your posts seem to hinge on the "hope" that some miraculous event will take place to "wake up" the masses both Down Under and here in the states.

Re-read Bruce's longer post - his most important understanding, and message, is that we have already passed the point where we can "win" or "turn things around". The sheeple have been well programmed and there's no fight left. Here's the bottom line on this whole topic:

The media and our public schools are controlled by the liberal socialists.

The above facts not only cannot be refuted but also cannot be countered. They controll the messages that are broadcasted and printed in our faces every hour of every day from day one of our lives. Remember, those of our kind here at TFL are the very tiny minority. We slipped through the cracks and essentially we're simply a pain to the liberals. They have control. They are slowly but confidently changing the very way that the sheeple think - by the millions.

We can continue to be a small obstacle for them but ultimately we will not win this war. After the Reagan administration, the RATE at which we approach the socialist rule ha increased dramatically. The heavy boulder is now rolling downhill with tremendous energy.

There's not a single day that goes by that I don't do something for the RKBA fight but right now I am exhausted and frankly realistically discouraged.

Keep the fight but what the he!! do we do now?...

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now join the GOA!

The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.
 
Yes, I must admit it sounds like WA has the harshest laws in Australia. I'm from Tassie. We have photo licenses (just like a drivers license), compulsory "safety" instruction (around $100) for new license applicants.

As regards the banning of semi-auto pistols after the Olympics, I don't think that will happen at least till 2006, seeing how we have the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne then.

Every year I hear new rumours about the imminent banning, to me there is no point lying awake worrying about it, if I feel depressed I go to the range and have some fun, or buy another gun :)
 
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