This OUR future ... will it be yours??

On Saturday, 19 August, I attended the State Delegates Conference of the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia, Western Australian Branch.

We were addressed by the retiring Superintendent of Police, the man with overall responsibility for firearms licensing and regulations in West Oz. He upset a few delegates by stating "I don't like firearms".

He then let us in on the planning/legislation facing us over the next two years. It was decidedly disheartening.

1. WA is seen as being "recalcitrant" by the Feds in that it won't bring in ALL the post-Port Arthur recommendations; e.g. we don't have a 28-day cooling off period for second or subsequent guns and we don't require firearms being transported in a vehicle to be (literally) chained and padlocked to the car -- yet! We will be under increasing pressure to "conform".

2. ID cards
Firearms owners can expect within 2 years to be required to carry a photographic ID card
with an extract of licence on it. This is NOT a replacement for the licence, but a supplement to it, purely for ID, to be produced on demand by any police officer. (I would have thought it would have been cheaper just to require us to have a tattoo -- perhaps on the forearm? Or maybe a coloured patch on our clothes?)

3. Compulsory training is looming just over the horizon (probably early next year) for ALL applicants for a firearm in Western Australia. We have been "requested" by the police to come up with a course, which they will then modify and tell us what we have to do. SSAA WA has voted to adopt the Queensland SSAA training course and rewrite it to suit our situation. There is still some confusion as to who will be allowed to "teach" this course -- there is a push to make it only those with tertiary degrees in education! This course will be compulsory even if you just want to own an air rifle, or if you are a farmer wanting a .22 to throw in the back of the ute.

4. Licences
Our licence is currently 12-monthly with automatic renewal; i.e. the renewal is sent to you in the mail, you pay it and away you go.

We can expect 5-year licences (approx $180 - $200) with NO RIGHT OF RENEWAL. At the end of
each 5 years, all firearms will have to be reapplied for, and the criteria of "need" and "reason" met all over again. If you are unable to meet these criteria to the satisfaction of the police, you will lose your licence and hence your firearms.

There is a push for the training course to be taken compulsorily at each renewal of the licence as well.

5. Recall
The computerised Firearms Registry is such a dog's breakfast here that within 2 years ALL
registered firearms will be "recalled" to the police so complete details can be taken down and the registry updated. That's approx. 285 000 firearms!!!

We were also informed that we should be GRATEFUL to our current Police Minister, because if he wasn't "pro-gun" (????????) we wouldn't have even what we have now!!! The inference was "stop whinging and accept it, because if you don't, we'll make it a lot worse".

Other
Club support
Police are getting tetchy about firearms being used for purposes for which they are not "approved". In other words, if you have a Club-supported handgun, for example, and when you applied for the licence you stated it was
for IPSC, you can't use it for Field Pistol or any other match EXCEPT IPSC. Same for, say, a centrefire you applied for for benchrest -- you can't use it for metallic silhouette or field rifle. Police are aware it's happening and are turning a "blind eye" at present -- but we've been warned.

Additionally, the situation may arise where you have, for example, a 6mm PPC for benchrest, a .223 for field rifle, a scoped .22 handgun for Field Pistol and an open sighted .45 for field pistol, and a shotgun for clays, ALL on Club support. Previously, to retain Club support, you had to shoot one
official match every 8 weeks. Now, the police are informing us they expect that person to shoot one match FOR EACH SUPPORTED FIREARM every 8 weeks.

This also has implications for match scheduling -- we have to cater for
all matches every 8 weeks. If we can't, we are not allowed to give Club support for that firearm!

If you have a firearm by virtue of being a property owner, or having permission to shoot on a property (which the police think big enough), you are only allowed to shoot on that property! (A friend of mine wanted a .303 on Open licence, so he supplied letters of permission to shoot on properties totalling 24 000 000 acres! The police knocked him back on his application and he was forced to hire a lawyer to eventually get his licence.)

Range maintenance
IF there's an accident on a range, and the subsequent police inspection finds anything wrong with that range (broken fence, missing or torn warning flags, faded safety signs etc.), our insurance cover will be voided and CLUB OFFICIALS will be held responsible and sued.

RUMOURS
There's always plenty of these at a meeting such as this, but the most substantial was that regarding the move by various State environment agencies to close ranges as their lease became due -- on environmental
grounds.

One (new) range was being sound monitored that Saturday -- shooting on Sundays is already prohibited there because "guns are louder on Sundays".

The largest complex -- Wanneroo Shooting Complex, Pinjar -- is under threat due to perceived lead pollution, as it's a Class 1 Water Reserve. The lease is due for renewal in 2003.

Handguns are also in for a hiding after the Olympics. The Olympics are important because, had shooting not been offered as an event, Sydney would NOT have received the Games. However, once they are over, there's no reason to hold back. The consensus was that semi-auto handguns will be placed on the prohibited list, which is anice way of saying they will be confiscated and banned entirely. This is Australia-wide, not just in WA.

When we asked what we could do about the above, the reply was "Nothing". Under the Westminster system, Parliament is supreme. We are allowed to have firearms by the "grace and good will" of the government, and if we don't like the conditions placed on that privilege -- tough, we can always give up our guns and take up golf.

So there you go. We'll keep fighting, but ultimately we'll lose because we lost that very first fight. Once we had lost, our "power" was broken, and we were easy meat.

B
 
Its pretty frightening, Bruce, even worse than Weimar Gemany.
Some day, as this bad government of yours inevitably deteriorates, some bright but unhappy young man is going to get the idea that he can walk all over it and he may very well be right.
 
I am good for buying Bruce his first .22 should he ever get to the United States. We need all the allies we can get here.
 
Bruce theres lots of good places around here that probably look a lot like Australia. You would be more than welcome.

And I hope, and pray, that our country doesn't continue down the same socialist path as yours.
 
I thank you all from the bottom of my heart.

But this is my home, guys. Despite it all, I love the Australia I used to know. I used to be proud to say I was an Aussie.

I've been fighting these bastards since 1967 -- on and off -- guess I'll see it out to the bitter end.

B
 
Wow. Sounds like a bunch of da*n fascists.

Sorry to hear all this, Bruce. And, you do put a finer point on things. We can't quit fighting this kind of tyranny.

If you ever do decide to come live in the states, I'll kick in the first $50 to buy an AR for you. Just remember, when you get to
CA ... keep driving east to Arizona. Don't overshoot ... you might end up in Massachusetts. ;)

Live and let live. Regards from AZ
 
Sad story Bruce.

Sad again because the same exact thing will happen here in the U.S. It's merely a mater of time. Nothing can stop the momentum at this point :(.

CMOS

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NRA? Good. Now join the GOA!

The NRA is our shield, the GOA will be our sword.
 
Been to Perth. Been to Freemantle. Loved the visit and before Clinton went on his "Bomb the Slavics" spree, wanted to return.

I completely understand your love for your home. One bit of advice I can give is:

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Get those stories about defenseless homeowners being killed out in the Austrailian news. THEN get the stories (If there is any) about ARMED gun owners defending their lives with their firearms.

The people are so easy to believe the lies that they will become adherent to whatever the government wants them to.

Show them the error of their ways.

Use the internet, the phone, the papers, hell, staple the stories on telephone poles. Encourage others to do the same.

Above all..

NEVER quit.

My heart and hopes go out to you!

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Going Nowhere? Join Me There! Enjoy your stay!
 
Bruce. If you ever come to the states and find yourself too far to the east, just veer a little north of Mass.and you will be in Vermont." We don't need no stinkin permits".
 
Mick, You're in Vermont??
Could you PLEASE post links to your local news sites? I looked and could not find anything related to it. I wish to post gun-related stories on my webpage and on other forums.
I'd really appreciate it.

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Going Nowhere? Join Me There! Enjoy your stay!
 
Geez Bruce, I didn't need the Hell scared out of me so early in the morning! :(

The most chilling example yet of what happens once the antis get the bit in their teeth. If this doesn't wake up those fence-sitting gun owners, this republic is in for rough times.

Randall Flagg - Here's the Kidon Media website. Click on "USA", then "Vermont". I tried the direct link to Vermont but it took forever to load. The index link is quicker. Some papers may even have an free auto email subscription.

http://www.kidon.com/media-link/index.shtml



[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited August 22, 2000).]
 
You may have covered this elsewhere but isn't the Statist Army allowed to shoot civilians engaged in "Domestic Violence".

May I suggest the time is right for a revolution in your country? Though I know I'm speaking from thousands of miles away and not in any danger. The weapons that are 'allowed' should now be used.

You will always be welcome in the USA.

Sgt.K
 
Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death

Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!


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I feel your pain, Bruce, but the simple fact is that you haven't been beaten, you're not "easy meat", you've chosen to surrender rather than genuinely fight. You've decided that peace is more valuable to you than your freedom, and having decided that you've made yourselves slaves to whoever decides that your obedience is more valuable than peace.


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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
Hank, I doubt that UC can be (legally) imported into Oz. Their gov't wouldn't even allow Duke Nukem in its original form.

Ozzies, I hate to tell you this, but you've lost. Staying any longer could very well get you killed, and will accomplish nothing. A strategic retreat may be your last option. :(
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I feel your pain, Bruce, but the simple fact is that you haven't been beaten, you're not "easy meat", you've chosen to surrender rather than genuinely fight. You've decided that peace is more valuable to you than your freedom, and having decided that you've made yourselves slaves to whoever decides that your obedience is more valuable than peace.[/quote]

I agree! Do you people know what the word NO. NO, I’m not playing your game! And NO, you can’t have my firearms.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> "I will neither give up liberty nor freedom for I am armed as all free men should be, I defy the powers that be, for I am one of many who will defy the tyranny of those corrupted by the evil of power and the sin of greed" Thomas Paine[/quote]


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Guns are not dangerous! People are! RKBA!

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Why am I not surprised they said you should be grateful ? They should be grateful that there is no way for us to charge them in a court of real law and execute reasonable judgement against them.
 
Instead of blaming the faceless government I think the blame lies on the pansya@@ed fellow countrymen that have accepted and encouraged this type of legislation. Just say NO! You should stay there. Your country needs you.
 
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