This just ticks me off video

hunting is done on the ground, stalking through the woods
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Me too.

but I had to respond for the fun of it.
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And once again, Me too.

Nope: to each his own. I have a friend who runs lions w/ dogs. Exciting to say the least, just not my bag. He's offered countless times to take me. Although I haven't, I would take a bear over bait. Once you have faced a 500lb bear on the ground w/o a rifle, you understand the need for extreme advantage over these critters.
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True, well put Djohn

When I hunt, I go where they go.... I go dressed up like a pine tree or a shrub or something (apart from roos, but when they are starving, it is terrible to see.... they are going to turn up their toes soon anyway) Sure, we track them (deer, pigs, goats) and find their watering holes etc, but we HUNT them, fair and square. IMO it is very rewarding.

One mate of mine went on a roo shoot for a farmer (one of the ones I mentioned earlier) they were just coming out of a drought, the roos were eating anything they planted and were still starving, the farmer asked for help. Ted and a few of the guys obliged, went to his farm near lightening ridge. The rules were, leave them where they drop, but dont leave any on the road thru the property, & shoot as many as you can. Ted took his trusty 223 and 1000 rounds. The roos had never seen people and it turned into a bit of a shooting gallery. Ted, a keen hunter, wasnt impressed with this, but to do the farmer a favour, he did the shoot anyway. after 2 days, ted had used up his 1000 rounds and was real mad.... he missed with one round :mad:
The other guys bagged a couple of hundred. On the way back to the farm house, they moved any off the road. The farmer was grateful, asked how many they got. Ted said he got 999 and the others 200 or so, the farmer laughed aparently he thought they were exagerating. A week later the farmer rang and was saying he couldnt believe what he saw. He had been up and down the road a dozen times and didnt see a dead roo, til he parked and walked up & over the embankment and saw what he described as
"a scene of utter distruction" he reckoned it looked like WW111, carcases everywhere. Certainly was greatful (stunned) to get rid of so many.

Ted didnt find it sporting to shoot the roos like that, so I can understand the bear shooters taking the easy way and attracting them with food and just nailing them one after the other, but I guess, like Ted, you just have to do what you have to do to get rid of pests :confused:

I'll stick to dressing up like a bush and going after them, but thats just me and my humble opinion :D

Muzza
 
Try bear hunting in the Adirondack mountains. Baiting is illegal but it's how most bear get taken. They are spread far and wide, few are seen unless they are baited. I have no ethical problem with baiting but I won't go because it's illegal. The law is the law.

I find it interesting how the presence of the barrel seems to be the deciding factor.

People "bait" deer and turkey and pigs and other animals all the time. It's just that they generally throw the "bait" on the ground.

I guess that's OK, just don't put it in a barrel?:rolleyes:
 
Shorthair's, one might think someone hung you by yours the way you went off on your name calling defending spree on anyone who thought the video was not about hunting and shooting fish in a barrel for lack of a better expression.

NOBODY said anything about legal this or legal that, yet your tyrant explosion attacking people personally leads me to a conclusion that regardless on what you may say I feel this maybe one of your preferred "hunting" methods.It would be the only reason imo you went to such personal attacks.

There is a few of you who are retaliating back on this topic standing on the legal soapbox shouting insults at those that disagree on these tactics.

I will repeat it again NOBODY said anything about legal this or legal that.

It is understood it is legal in some places, there is no disputing that.As someone who hunted for many years it is a responsible hunters duty to know the different tactics involved in game harvesting.

This is not about "absolutes" as it was stated. It is about how some were taught about hunting and the needs in doing so, requiring you to know enough about the animal to harvest it in its natural environment. It is taught as a sign of respect for the animal and what it is offering, that it will in turn feed you and your family. I guess you could say the old school values of hunting.

There is a HUGE difference in sport hunters and game hunters! No one is going to argue that, no one is going to argue the legality of it at least me anyways as in this case it is legal to do so.

But do not throw personal insults to justify those tactics because there is some who do not agree that it is "hunting".
 
Hunting over bait has been done for forty forevers. It's just one among many formats.

Just because you--generic you--don't approve of something creates no right to raise a ruckus over how somebody else does within their local hunting culture and style.

The bottom line: If you don't like that style, don't do it.
 
To everyone who thinks this is wrong:

Do you also gripe and moan about most Texas deer hunting? Put up a timed feeder, a blind, and a high game fence, and wait for them to come eat at 5pm? If you hate them both, ok. If you somehow rationalize that and criticize this, what's the difference?
 
Zoomie, Great question! I will answer it in full honesty...
I do not feel the use of any "placed" bait is "fair chase". I barely accept food plots as fair chase but since hunting in a profit earning field is than plots are fair too I reckon. I personally do not use plots for "game" hunting. I have and will put out soured corn to have a starting point for hogs as they travel alot and I am putting forth a bit of cash to get to the farmers place with my always hungry dogs to perform a free service.
If a fella is taking me up on the offer to try hog hunting the swamps, the least I can do is try to insure the hogs will be on the property. It isn't like they will be hovering over the corn but possibly nearby. Other than that, picking a squirrel off a bird feeder for the snake to eat is as far as I go...:D
I am not a sport hunter. I am a meat hunter and a nuisance animal remover.
Brent
 
Duck hunting with Rush Limbaugh

This bear "hunt" is really live target practice.

Several years ago Rush Limbaugh described a duck hunt somewhere in the coastal northeast, maybe Delaware or Maryland. The first day he sat in a blind with friends and a guide, complained about the weather, and shot at several ducks with zero luck. Following day he once again sat in a blind and had phenomenal luck with ducks flying by only a few yards away. That day the guide was releasing captive bred ducks from a nearby cage. Is that considered hunting? Rush Limbaugh thought so but it was really skeet shooting with live clays. Target practice.

A great deal of my professional work was done in parts of Texas. There, many ranches had converted to exotic hunting areas. 10' fence around the ranch, a guide in a safari suit and driving a Range Rover, clients with more money than hunting skill, and exotic game driven into a fenced corner consituted the "hunt." More target practice.
 
zoomie, my biggest gripe about the whole video and it was my opening line, the ability of that "hunter" at the end to be such a horrible shot he had to shoot it 6 times. Not in the course of a minute, but over the long period it took him to bring his a$$ down from the stand to get close enough to make a vital shot.
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I feel the same way about food baiting any game animal in. If you do not have the skills to track a run, look for a rub or know where they naturally feed and know where to put your stand then you have no business in the woods.
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I should of clarified my statement above to include "I feel the same way about food baiting any game animal in where the ability to hunt in a natural environment is possible".

I agree some situations call for the lure of an animal. The rattle, the scent, the call. I trapped for roughly 6 years, I understand the need to bait in certain circumstances.

But as stated by hogdogs I believe, the use of the barrels in this video to measure the size of a good kill do nothing to honor the term hunting. It further shows that they do not possess the skills to be in the woods.

I will quote loosely from the video "if it is over the second rib of the barrel it is a good kill"

So not only was one a horrible shot, it seemed none of them knew enough about what they were doing and needed the actual lure to gauge their size.
 
I dont like the style, AND I dont use it. In B.C. CANADA its illegal. I Can go out and get a black bear in less than 6 hrs with out baiting. AND the thought of baiting has never crossed my mind. I dont know who you think you are but I dont see culture/tradition in a 50 gal drum:) filld with fish but Im glad you approve of a simple shoot (its not a hunt). I could find out the number of these kids parents if you want to go hunting with these city slickers Art Eatmam? I would have to wonder about your hunting experience if you guys thought this was legitimit.
 
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OLNFAN,
I see your point( I'm with you) and I'm not a hunter, since age 20.
We are on the losing side of this thread, arguing with Art only brings down his wrath(and his supporters) on other thread issues. Lets let this thread die.

Live, to discuss another day.:(
 
I thought long and hard about posting on this subject. Hunting over bait from a stand isn't the method I'd prefer, but I've done it pig hunting. So after my rant let the flames begin.

These were all youth hunters who didn't know how to judge a good animal so I think he was using the barrel for their benefit. That was what I thought when I heard the guide say "If it is over the second rib on the barrel it is a good bear." Again a rough translation of what I heard and saw.

The last one was not a pretty kill, but at least the he got him down with the first shot. Nerves probably helped to botch the next series of shots until he walked up and gave it the finishing one. I've botched a few shots hunting as well, but luckily have never lost an animal.

I didn’t like stand hunting as well over bait, but then I realized I do the same thing. I hunt corn, milo, wheat, alfalfa fields, and meadows for deer and elk. How is that any different if I set up overlooking one of these spots than the guy who sets up bait, feeders, salt licks, or food plots? I’d like to think I only hunt spot and stalk but that isn’t the case, a lot of the time I find a good spot to sit and wait and hope something crosses my path that I find worth shooting.

Nor is what they are doing any different than a guy setting up a blind over a water hole waiting for pronghorn, or for that matter African game. Seeing that many animals at least will/can teach patience and the ability to judge a quality animal. This kind of hunting allows for people hunting with disabilities as well who normally couldn’t do spot and stalk.

More often than not my hunting experience has been more about my shooting than my stalking skill. I’ve driven out to a pasture where I was going to hunt pronghorn, as soon as I got out of my truck a bedded doe got up 150 yards away. I pulled out my rifle and shot her, filled my doe tag. No hunting skill involved just got lucky that she hung around to see what I was doing. I then drove my pickup up to her to field dress and load to go home.

Hunting bear in AK, I lost a bear during a long stalk. Gave up and was heading back to the boat. Just walking across an open tidal flat, we got within 200 yards of a bear before we realized it was even a bear. I just sat down, put my rifle on the sticks and shot my bear. No skill there in fact we were about as obvious as a fart in church walking back to the boat, no cover in any direction except where the bear was at.

Shot one of my largest mule deer going to help my dad fix his hay baler. Was driving down the road and spotted him crossing an open field. Parked the truck, grabbed my rifle and orange, ran about a hundred yards sat down with my sticks and shot. Missed completely but the deer let me take another and that time I got him. Again no skill involved in that hunt, plus some terrible shooting on my part.

All in all is hunting bear over bait the style of hunting I like to do? No, but I’m not going to say it isn’t hunting as long as the practice is legal. Different regions have different hunting practices, just because it isn’t common practice where I live doesn’t make it unethical. Remember there are enough people who hate that any hunting happens, why add fuel to the cause to ban hunting all together. Just like we try and fight any weapons ban that comes down the pipe so should do the same to anything that takes away our hunting privileges. Hunting really is all about the experience, and hopefully some of those kids learned some sort of lesson and will advocate our cause in the future.

FLAME ON!
 
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I am with Art on this... I personally don't care for hunting over bait and this includes bottled scents. But if someone else chooses to I don't care. If they go peein' down my leg tellin' me it is rain about a hunt and it is akin to waiting for a bear to stick his head in a barrel of fish guts and baby diapers, I hope they don't take offense when I go laughin' my butt off about the hunt...
Brent
 
OLNfan, you really missed the point I was trying to make. The hunting while you might find it distasteful was perfectly legal where those kids were hunting. Hunting bear with bait or running them with dogs isn't legal where I live either doesn't mean I'm going to condemn the people who hunt in Regions where it is.

You are basicly pulling the classic "Jim Zumbo" move by your blanket statements.
 
At the signing of the Declaration of Independence, Benjamin Franklin supposedly said "If we don't hang together, we shall surely all hang separately", meaning that if the enemies of the cause could get them fighting amongst themselves, they could easily defeat them all.

We saw this out west here, where the antis got a ban on leg-hold traps passed, a ban on hunting mountain lions with dogs passed, a ban on hunting bear with dogs passed, and damn near got a ban on 50-caliber rifles for hunting (until the black powder guys figured out that included them). So, like Art said, if you don't like it, don't do it. But it's legal, so don't go getting too self-righteous and get folks all worked up over nothing, or the antis are going to try to ban it, and eventually they will try to ban your favorite hunting, too! Remember, what we like to call hunting varies from one area to the next, and if the antis had their way you would only get to see meat in a museum.
 
I didn't see the vid in question and I swore I'd never get in on another discussion about ethics........oh damn!

What a bunch of high'n'mighty pansy's we have here. I could spend all day complaining about different hunting methods. Maybe your gun should be illegal? Maybe you shouldn't be able to use a compound bow? Maybe you bird hunters should get out and find your own damn birds, etc, etc. Who makes some of you the lord high authority on hunting ethics? If it's legal go for it. If you don't like it it, too bad.

It also appears that the shooting wasn't up to snuff on the vid. Gee, I wish I could say I've never made a bad shot. Wish I could be like some of you others:barf: and never make bad shots...

Get over yourselves...
 
LKK, I have to agree to the high and mighty approach. I just don't do what I don't agree with and mind my own bidness in life... The Lord and I are the only ones who know what length I would go to if I was hungry enuff:eek:
Brent
 
Ethics in hunting is always a touchy subject.

Like LKK said, if we start trying to dictate these things, soon more laws will be passed, and then where does it end?

With bear baiting, or should baiting any and all animals be prohibited. What constitutes a bait? A placed bait, field of grain, a salt lick, or a water hole? These things are already being banned in some places, and we need the support of those hunters

Then what about those who disagree with using dogs? The anti's already want to ban it, and have in some states. Where does it stop?

What about how far we shoot? Some folks believe that long shots are unethical; should we ban shots over 200 yards? How? By limiting flat shooting cartridges?

Ethics are a good thing. Self imposed limitations that go above and beyond the law, but we can't start trying to dictate our own self interests and beliefs onto others.

Why? Because that will only end when all hunting is banned. That's what the anti's want, and they'll divide us up and defeat us any way they can.

Ethics are good; impose them on yourself as you feel appropriate, but leave others alone on the subject.

Daryl
 
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