DonR101395
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Found one more state I won't be living or traveling to.
This is what gives the rest of us a bad name
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Found one more state I won't be living or traveling to.
TheBluesMan
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Give 'em a little time, Don. It looks like they may soon have a Castle Doctrine law.
The U.S. Government does not agree....
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070202-124744-1388r.htm
so if a law enforcement officer cant use deadly force for that...what can a citizen use.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20070202-124744-1388r.htm
so if a law enforcement officer cant use deadly force for that...what can a citizen use.
Update
It's pretty good when a home-grown petty crook stands up for his accuser and tells the Judge he got what he deserved!
From the LaCross Tribune. Published - Friday, February 16, 2007 (emphasis is mine)
The above was simply an AP story and has made it to several news outlets, including MSNBC. All are exact duplications of the above. Since I wasn't satisfied (I wanted as local a newstory as I could get), I found an original story at the Star-Tribune (note link is valid only for a few days):
It's pretty good when a home-grown petty crook stands up for his accuser and tells the Judge he got what he deserved!
From the LaCross Tribune. Published - Friday, February 16, 2007 (emphasis is mine)
The above was simply an AP story and has made it to several news outlets, including MSNBC. All are exact duplications of the above. Since I wasn't satisfied (I wanted as local a newstory as I could get), I found an original story at the Star-Tribune (note link is valid only for a few days):
gotta love lawyers...
So should we go from probable cause to I thought as the standard?
I bet if one of his clients was charged because the officer thought he might be a drug crazed meth head he would be arguing that it didnt meet the probable cause standard. LOL.
All Im saying is as responsible gun owner know the law...
Probable cause should be used before you get to use of force or even excercise the continuum of force.
So If I see you and I think you look suspicious because it looks like you are carrying a concealed weapon I can smack you with my mag lite from behind because I think you are up to no good?
So If I see you and I think you look suspicious because it looks like you are carrying a concealed weapon I can smack you with my mag lite from behind because I think you are up to no good?
What happened is obviously not what was initially reported. Pretty standard for the news media. So, all of this "you can't, you can" is pretty much reduced to the hypothetical, isn't it?
The problems stem from people in different parts of the country trying to apply local law and customs to other places, where the laws might well be different. All added to the inescapable fact that we were operating on false information as to the true circumstances. Something as simple as the fact that the theft was more involved than stealing gasoline, but also included, but may not be limited to, a vehicle's radiator, as well. It would also appear that the man didn't threaten to "blow them away" on the phone, either. Don't you just hate it when a perfectly righteous moral opinion falls to the facts?
The problems stem from people in different parts of the country trying to apply local law and customs to other places, where the laws might well be different. All added to the inescapable fact that we were operating on false information as to the true circumstances. Something as simple as the fact that the theft was more involved than stealing gasoline, but also included, but may not be limited to, a vehicle's radiator, as well. It would also appear that the man didn't threaten to "blow them away" on the phone, either. Don't you just hate it when a perfectly righteous moral opinion falls to the facts?
Who's to say the behavior Englund witnessed did not give him probable cause to form his opinion?
Eghad, don't act as if this assumption out of the ordinary or just some slimey lawyer trick. Poke around TFL a little and you'll see just about every scenario involves drug crazed lunatics and "meth heads".
Eghad, don't act as if this assumption out of the ordinary or just some slimey lawyer trick. Poke around TFL a little and you'll see just about every scenario involves drug crazed lunatics and "meth heads".
Edward429451
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Thats too broad of a scenario for anyone to give a reasonable definitive answer Eghad.
amazing, some of you guys are painting the old man as this blood thirsty vigilante who gunned down the thief, oh yeah of cours ehe should have known the amount of theft that took place, after all he should be psychi, right?
I grew up learning that there are right and wrong, and a citizens has the responsibility to stop the wrong to the best of their abilities. "the evil has triumphed when the good men do nothing".
I have, in the capacity of a private citizen, chased down robbers, engaged in high-speed "pursuits" and held them at gun point, even though my state didn't see me as fit for a CCW since I'm not a celebrity, and I was under the impression that I had the responsibility to act rather than observe.
It looks like liberalism has infiltrated every aspect of the American society, including this group of people. Sad day for all of us indeed.
I grew up learning that there are right and wrong, and a citizens has the responsibility to stop the wrong to the best of their abilities. "the evil has triumphed when the good men do nothing".
I have, in the capacity of a private citizen, chased down robbers, engaged in high-speed "pursuits" and held them at gun point, even though my state didn't see me as fit for a CCW since I'm not a celebrity, and I was under the impression that I had the responsibility to act rather than observe.
It looks like liberalism has infiltrated every aspect of the American society, including this group of people. Sad day for all of us indeed.
allenomics
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If this story is accurate, the farmer overacted! He needlessly endangered the lives of others.
In Florida, if he would have "blown them away," the farmer would probably be doing jail time.
If someone has a legally issued concealed carry permit, they may not draw the weapon unless they fear eminent death or grave bodily injury to themselves or others. The first obligation is to flee to a safe place and to call law enforcement.
If you mean, that the actions of the farmer dealt a blow to law abiding citizens, you would be correct.
In Florida, if he would have "blown them away," the farmer would probably be doing jail time.
If someone has a legally issued concealed carry permit, they may not draw the weapon unless they fear eminent death or grave bodily injury to themselves or others. The first obligation is to flee to a safe place and to call law enforcement.
If you mean, that the actions of the farmer dealt a blow to law abiding citizens, you would be correct.
DonR101395
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Wrong