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I have tried three times in different ways to link article.

It is an article from CNS linked on Drudge about the Troops sent into Alabama town after murder spree.

Maybe, someone smarter than me can help, or I can cut and paste.
 
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Let's say there is a big base. Like where I live. Across from the big base, a nutso starts shooting up the kindergarten. But he is just a good ol' American nutso and not a terrorist.

The MPs see this. The local law is a bit away.

Should the MPs do anything, carrying official US Armed Forces firearms?

If they do, does it mean the Army is coming for my guns at a later time?
 
Army Military Police patrols Alabama town

Have no text or article yet. Just heard it on Glen Beck. US Army, NOT national guard, military police on patrol in the Alabama town that recently had the shooting spree. Beck had photos and redponses from the AL Gov, who knew nothing about it, the Army, who was investigating the issue, and the White House who declined to comment.

Any members here know, heard of or have any info to support this?
 
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he is just a good ol' American nutso and not a terrorist.
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I doubt if this could be easily ascertained in just a brief moment.

The MPs see this. The local law is a bit away.

Should the MPs do anything, carrying official US Armed Forces firearms?
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They may not have the legal responsibility, but they would have a Moral responsibility, just as a CCW holder would, IMHO.

If they do, does it mean the Army is coming for my guns at a later time?
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This is a question that we all ask every day, why would this incident make that more or less likely?

I think the "devil" will be in the details.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

My answer is simple. No. Send medics, send a chaplain, send a CISM but the Military Police do not belong there. Does it mean that the army is coming for your guns later? No to that one too. If anything, send the Coast Guard (of which I am a member) because we are federal LE and are exempted from Posse Comitatus. :) I'm wearing two flame suits for this thread.
 
http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/41432687.html
SAMSON, Ala. (AP) - The Army has launched an inquiry into the use of soldiers from Fort Rucker in the town of Samson after the south Alabama shooting massacre.

The Army confirmed Wednesday that 22 military police and an officer were sent to Samson after the mass slaying of 10 people last week. The town's tiny police force and county officers were stretched to the limit after the shootings.

Some have questioned why Army troops were sent to Samson, suggesting the move was a possible violation of federal law.

An Army spokesman says officials with the Army Training and Doctrine Command are trying to determine what happened. Among the questions is why the troops were sent to Samson and what they did while there.
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If a Piper cub starts flying over town, dropping home made grenades and flying down the highways with a person in the passenger's seat with a NFA legal full auto hosing down the SUVs - should the myraid F-16s around here blow him up.

Or should we wait till we call Obama? Or should all of us with ARs, try to shoot him down and spew rounds over the city.

I'm having a hard time with a constitution/legal issue getting my shorts in a wad over the initial report.

As far as precedent for them taking my guns - that surfaces here all the time. MOUT - has generated lots of conspiracy conjecture.
 
I think the state guard is who should shoot down the piper cub! But I heard of no such attack. I also heard of no rioting and the tv station I posted link to is the one I watch most every night!
The us army is BOUND not to be used against the citizens of the USofA...
Brent
 
Glenn E. Meyer,

I don't see anybody here getting worked up about this right now but it is a matter to be concerned about. We are talking about a real issue here, that may have far reaching implications. As far as I can see YOU are the only guy bringing up the Army seizing guns or Red Dawn type scenarios. Are you trying to get us tin foil hat guys all spun up?:p Heck, I can't even say TFH over on THR.us now, ya gotta leave us something here!
 
Why draw lines in the sand if no one follows them?

Those universal fit police vests could fit any of the department of public works guys, citizens, bus drivers or anyone just standing there in the rural town they were trying to traffic control. Directing traffic does not take skilled armed forces.

Sending in US troops to aid a private sector matter when there is laws written against it, unless a few special circumstances apply (which seem to be not enacted in this case) is well.... simply put... breaking the law.

If we as citizens are micro managed daily by laws we need to follow, why should US soilders on US soil not be bound by them as well?

Because this is not the normal routine in America as we the public know, there presence could almost be constituted as Inducing Panic.

"Committing any offense, with reckless disregard of the likelihood that its commission will cause serious public inconvenience or alarm."

Yeah its a stretch I realize this, but so many times laws are broken by free thinkers thinking they are doing the right thing to "Aid" a situation.

Did it make the situation more manageable? Sounds like it did, but that still does not make it right if there is laws against it.

Maybe, just maybe the hero's of this country who now have to answer for these crimes if any are deemed "committed" will work with public outrage to over turn them? Because it was after all done for a worthy cause. Maybe just maybe people will realize this gross micro management we all face daily is just a little out of control now.
 
Wow... I LOVE a good black helicopter thread and can sling conspiracy with the best of 'em... but you guys need to take a chill pill.

First off, these MP's and army boys weren't armed. They were wearing duty gear but no rifles or sidearms, from what I have heard.

Secondly: How is this any different than a soldier in transit on a civilian plane, who decides to subdue an unruly passenger or kill a terrorist intent on taking or destroying the aircraft? Or a military convoy that comes across a demonstration of criminal force that is swamping the capacities of law enforcement?

The old west is filled with examples of the cavalry coming in to augment civilian forces, or even civilian forces augmenting the armed forces.

Posse Comitatus is a wonderful doctrine, but it does not subjugate the right of Americans (yes, servicemen are Americans) to correct wrongs they encounter, at peril of their freedom or honor if done incorrectly.

I personally commend these men for their decision. All they did was some traffic direction in order to free up law enforcement resources for response to the scenes of shooting. They didn't deploy as soldiers or as law enforcers... they deployed as well regulated men responding to an infrastructure problem.
 
Military members that get involved with civilian situations without the proper buttons being pushed ie the Gov requesting aid or the prez sending troops they will be punished. A military member cannot be deputized without orders from on high.
 
Not too hard to really tell just from the picture, but those look like sidearms to me?

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