This hit ABC News a few minutes ago

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Most of this is the usual claptrap by the usual people. I'd not heard DeLay put his foot down & say the ban was dead before.

Congressional Republicans Say Gun Ban to Expire

Reuters


Sept. 8, 2004 — By Joanne Kenen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Police officials from across the country on Wednesday warned that dangerous assault weapons will flood U.S. streets if the ban on those guns expires next week but Republican congressional leaders expressed no concerns about letting the restriction lapse.

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"I think the will of the American people is consistent with letting it expire, and so it will expire," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican, told reporters.

Asked why Congress wanted to legalize the military-style weapons again when public opinion polls found broad public support for keeping them illegal, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Texas Republican said, "We don't do things by polls."

The politically powerful National Rifle Association gun lobby has made killing the ban a top priority, and some lawmakers are fearful of crossing the NRA weeks before congressional elections.

The Consumer Federation of America released a report this week, based in part on manufacturer catalogs and Web sites, that concluded that "assault weapons will be more lethal and less expensive... Prices will drop as supply dramatically increases."

Under the 10-year ban enacted in 1994, weapons such as AK-47s, TEC-9s, and Uzis were outlawed, as were high capacity ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds. That law expires next Monday and Congress does not plan to extend it.

The Senate did vote earlier this year to renew the ban but that measure was part of a larger gun bill that was defeated at the NRA's behest. The House leaders have not allowed a vote on the ban this year.

Even groups that back renewing the law acknowledge the gun industry found loopholes and that dangerous weapons do remain on U.S. streets. But they argue that without the ban, the problem will grow worse.

New York Democrat Sen. Charles Schumer said letting a successful law expire reminded him of "Alice in Wonderland," and called the NRA influence "a dysfunction in our politics."

Representatives from law enforcement groups gathered in a Senate hearing room to urge lawmakers to switch course and renew the ban. They had hoped to gather at a national memorial to slain officers but rain forced them inside.

Several of the chiefs spoke of how their officers are already outgunned by the bad guys, and fear it will be even worse after next week if drug dealers, gang members, or even people on U.S. terror watch lists can legally purchase these lethal weapons.

"They are a threat to the safety of our dedicated police officers and the public," said Washington, D.C. police chief Charles Ramsey.

"We're sick and tired of picking up young bodies off our streets," said Richard Pennington, Atlanta's police chief and a top leader of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives. "We're sick and tired of seeing our young people getting killed and destroyed, injured and maimed on our streets."

Several pro-ban lawmakers repeated their call for President Bush to speak out for the continued prohibition on these weapons. Bush in his 2000 campaign backed the ban but has not worked for its extension.

DeLay said, "If the president asked me, it'd still be no.. It will expire Monday, and that's that." (Additional reporting by Thomas Ferraro)

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"The Consumer Federation of America released a report this week, based in part on manufacturer catalogs and Web sites, that concluded that "assault weapons will be more lethal and less expensive... Prices will drop as supply dramatically increases."

Will the ones I already own become more lethal when this ban expires too, or will I have to buy all new ones for the increased lethality ? This should end all the internet jabber about the performance of the 5.56 NATO cartridge. It is going to become more lethal with the sunset. Wait, maybe not. The military might have already been using the more lethal version.
 
Yep... all 5.56 will - thereafter - have tiny guidance systems automatically programmed to target BGs... :) Har Har.
 
Whoa. My post ban Bushy will be more lethal then? Kewl. If I have an extra lethal flash hider threaded on it then it wont be a poodle shooter anymore! In the wrong hands it could probably shoot down sattellites from orbit. :D

New York Democrat Sen. Charles Schumer said letting a successful law expire reminded him of "Alice in Wonderland," and called the NRA influence "a dysfunction in our agenda."
Edited for clarity. ;)
 
after the ban sunsets, those assault shotguns will be able to blow a car in two. And an ak-47 will be able to penetrate through 2 inch armor plating. Didn't ya know?
 
So this means my FN/FAL will be able to go through the car door, kill the two BG's and then go out the other door and get the one that is trying to escape...

Hmmm.... :cool:
:rolleyes:
 
I am happy for Free America. Someone go buy a new lower for me! I can still buy pre-ban uppers for my FAB-10, but it ain't quite the same.
 
I don't get it :confused: Where did all the "assault weapons" go back in 1994 just after the ban? Is the reasoning that just because they passed the AWB, "assault weapons" magically disappeared? And they will magically re-appear after the sunset? I just don't understand their "reasoning".
 
The Consumer Federation of America

Remember that name.
They are a group to be watched. A very clever group of antis that use polls to generate the numbers they want and then they present them as scientifically valid market research which they are not.

The name was adopted in an attempt to camoflague what they really are.

In a way tho, I hope they are right about this one point....
"and less expensive... Prices will drop as supply dramatically increases"
:) :) :) :) :)

I've been wanting a black rifle!
S-
 
Police officials from across the country on Wednesday warned that dangerous assault weapons will flood U.S. streets...
Ahem. Um, who ARE these police officials? 'Cuz I haven't met any lately. But maybe that's because I hang out with a better class of cop. :)

So, lemme play my Karmac act, and predict who these "police officials from across the country" will be.

I'm guessing brass from San Francisco P.D. Brass from Chicago P.D. Oh, let's throw in brass from Washington D.C. P.D.

Let's go see. . .

"They are a threat to the safety of our dedicated police officers and the public," said Washington, D.C. police chief Charles Ramsey.
Bingo.
"We're sick and tired of picking up young bodies off our streets," said Richard Pennington, Atlanta's police chief and a top leader of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives. "We're sick and tired of seeing our young people getting killed and destroyed, injured and maimed on our streets."
Whoops. Missed one.
 
Now, my dad has a pre-ban Colt SP1 and a pre-ban AK--are these also going to become more lethal, or is it only post-bans? Is there an upgrade available to make them more lethal? AK-47 V2.0?
 
Long Path, you actually were correct, and did not miss one. Pennington retired out of D.C. before taking the police chief job in New Orleans, then got a pension there before moving to Atlanta.
 
I witnessed the same biased handwringing as in that article on the evening news tonight. It looks like they're going into "it's gonna end, but we might as well make as much noise as we can to hurt bush as much as possible" mode.
btw, if prices are going to be lower, does that mean I'll be able to get one of the now ~$500 Olympic Arms AR15s on gunbroker for $300 or $400 (I'd like a higher end AR, but I'm a poor college student)? BTW, not to jack the thread, but since it's kinda relevant to the AWB, what exactly is the difference between a compensator and a flash hider?
 
Pennington retired out of D.C. before taking the police chief job in New Orleans, then got a pension there before moving to Atlanta.

Now there's a record to be proud of!

How do you phrase that positively on a cover letter? "I have many years experience of being more or less completely out of control of some of the most crime-ridden pestholes in the U.S., and therefore I think I can bring a strong lack of control to the position for which you are hiring."
 
Tonight (Wed. evening) ABC News Night Line did a complete show on the issue of the AWB's expiration. They interviewed Chief Bratton, LAPD, and a female VP from NRA. Chief Bratton's most notable quote: "Let the carnage begin on Monday!". Among the folks they interviewed for the story was a female urban ER MD who said she sees 30 gunshot victims a month and on one occasion saw a patient who'd been struck by a high powered rifle round which came through a wall and "took his leg clean off." I'm thinking .50 cal.?

Good points made by the NRA rep: more people are killed in car accidents than by guns; of 54 LEO line of duty deaths last year more than half were KIA by handgun, another 20% by rifle, 10% by shotgun, and another 10% by edged weapons, blunt instruments and vehicles; the raw stats of 27K gunshot deaths last year needs to be examined more closely for instances like accidents, self-defense and LE OIS incidents.

An unexplained error made to look like a pro-gun lobby cover-up: the prohibition of BATFE from tracking and disseminating info about "assault weapons" crimes. Unsaid was that it's the DOJ/FBI charged with tracking all crime stats.
 
Its 4am, central time, CNN headline news has a story on the AWB's death next week. One guess on how it is slanted? :barf:
 
I just went and checked on my WASR-10 to see if it had the potential to actually become 'more lethal'. It had apparently began molting it's skin and was morphing into a Ma Deuce. Damn, now where did I put that mount for the Jeep?
 
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