This anti-gun Letter to the Editor made my blood boil...

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It's mighty hard to believe that the north east states are where this country began the fight for liberty and freedom.

its not hard at all, given the historical perspective. What you have to understand is that today, the people who believe in liberty and freedom have, over time, left those states for the same reasons previous generations left England and Europe.

Call them social locusts, or invent a better term, there are people who work to create a social system (heavy on government) that despoils freedoms, and strangles opportunity, and wrecks the economy. When things get so bad that even they don't want to live there, they swarm to another place, and go to work to make that one just like the "paradise" that they just escaped from!

I feel for you good folk in FLA, we know your pain. We have a lot of people in the NW from California, which is ok. But then they want to "fix" things and make this place just like CA, and that is NOT OK!

 

[gyvel]

I feel for you good folk in FLA, we know your pain. We have a lot of people in the NW from California, which is ok. But then they want to "fix" things and make this place just like CA, and that is NOT OK!

Same BS happening here in AZ.^^^

And Lakota, I lived in south FL from 53-89, and slowly watched as the "yankees" moved in and slowly but surely made it just like the cess pools they left behind.

I enjoy living in a place where nobody gets excited if you have a gun.

 

[Buzzcook]

its not hard at all, given the historical perspective. What you have to understand is that today, the people who believe in liberty and freedom have, over time, left those states for the same reasons previous generations left England and Europe.

That's an absurdly political statement.

After the Civil War there were massive migrations from the South to the West and in part of the result was Oregon in 1910 having the largest KKK organization in the US.

People migrate to different states for a host of reasons. I suspect most of them are economic.

 

[YARDDOG(1)]

The further south you go in Fl, The further north you get
Y/D

 

[armoredman]

Unless you're a native American telling someone to go back where they came from is kinda ironic.

1na·tive adjective \ˈnā-tiv\
: born in a particular place

—used to refer to the place where a person was born and raised

: belonging to a person since birth or childhood

I was born here, native Arizonan. Guess I got the right.

 

[gyvel]

The further south you go in Fl, The further north you get

Wasn't always that way. My father's first job was teaching at Robert E. Lee Jr. High School. They used to have assemblies to celebrate Lee's birthday. Schools in Florida weren't integrated until the last semester of my senior year in high school. There was a 7:00PM curfew for blacks who worked in Miami Beach, and I believe they needed passes to do so. I still remember the "white" and "colored" drinking fountains in the Margaret Ann grocery stores.

 

[raimius]

^^^
Showcasing once again that some things northerners brought were actually good.

(Gun law mentality not being one of them)

 

[gyvel]

Showcasing once again that some things northerners brought were actually good

Northerners brought very few good things, much like Californians when they move to a new area.

The said thing is, much like almost any other state, there are two New Yorks: New York City and its surrounds and western New York. Philosophically and socially they are two worlds apart. Same goes for Florida: You have Miami (NY South/Havana North) and northern Florida; Again, two worlds apart.

It's a shame that large cities can't become their own entities like Singapore, and mandate their own rules and leave the rest of the state the hell alone.

Old timer Floridians will remember a a time however, when CCW permits were issued county by county and only valid in the county of issue. Not to mention that you had "to know" somebody to get one, especially in Dade. Governor Martinez was the vanguard of the CCW movement. He signed into the law the statewide "shall issue" permit, leading the way for the other states to follow.

 

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It's a shame that large cities can't become their own entities like Singapore, and mandate their own rules and leave the rest of the state the hell alone.

In the US, large cities ACT like they are their own entities, and DO mandate their own rules. (NYC DC, LA, etc.,), but sadly they NEVER leave the rest of the state alone.

If there was some way that these places could be made separate entities (states? Disctricts?) in law, the rest of us NOT living in one would be better off.

Many states are in this general situation, where about half, or more of the total state population is concentrated in a small geographical area. This gives them the political clout (numbers of votes) to essentially run the state for their own benefit.

When, after spending all their own money, they take my money (in the form of taxes) to spend on roads, bridges, ferries, busses, or a SPORTS STADIUM in a city 200 miles away from me, I find that ..rather unfair...

Such is, sadly one of the downsides to representative democracy. In a well run system, we could all be better off. IMHO, ours isn't well run.

 

[Chris_B]

its not hard at all, given the historical perspective. What you have to understand is that today, the people who believe in liberty and freedom have, over time, left those states for the same reasons previous generations left England and Europe.

Let's not start making general assumptions about people based on where they live, ok? Your statement assumes that if you live in that area, you do not believe in liberty or freedom. That's nonsense. Many members here are from that area, and I am no exception. I am as pro-freedom as you, but by the fact I live in an area you stereotype, I am labeled as something? A lot of people here feel perfectly OK with saying things like this. I don't.

 

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Let's not start making general assumptions about people based on where they live, ok?...

First off, it was never my intention to insult, denigrate, or stereotype anyone because of where they live. Your assumption that it was my intent to do so is incorrect.

Second, I am not making assumption, I am making observations. I was born there, and grew up in the area. I know the country, and I know the people. The only assumption I made was assuming that my statement would not be taken as an absolute, but as a general observation. Looking back on it, I suppose I could have (probably should have) included a couple words, such as "many of the people" to (hopefully) prevent this confusion. But I didn't, and for that, I do apologize. It just didn't occur to me that one might take it the way you apparently did.

People have left New England, just as they left England, Europe, and virtually every other spot on the globe, for the same reason, seeking the opportunity for a better life. Did everyone who loves liberty leave? Certainly not. That is nonsense. SO is thinking that "if you are not in group A you must be in group B". Sorry if you took it that way, but it is not the point I intended to make.

I read somewhere that during the Revolution, only about 1/3 of the people were "rebels". And about 1/3 were "Crown loyalists" (to some degree). The other third of the people just wanted to be left alone to live their lives the best they could. If true, and it seems likely, that means that our Founding Fathers, and those who supported them and their ideals were never the majority.

But they were a large enough minority to bring about a revolution. In many ways, even in those days, it was easier to leave than stay and fight. We owe our existence as a nation to those who did. I salute those who still do.

 

[Chris_B]

Baloney I made an assumption. I took you at your stated word. Quote:

What you have to understand is that today, the people who believe in liberty and freedom have, over time, left those states

You're giving advice on the people that live there with your "what you have to understand" statement, so another member can understand something. You're imparting some kind of wisdom, saying that.

Reverse our roles, and tell me truthfully that you'd swallow that one. Stop making me a bad guy and please just don't perpetuate the nonsense about regions anymore. Too many people here buy that bill of goods, you should not lend any support to it, intentional or not. Have a good night.

 

[TDL]

What is fascinating is the author is also a supporter of "stop and frisk" (AKA walking while black) draconian and unconstitutional measure that caused the massive drop in NY crime.


And what can you do. Equal demographic juristicuons show more guns equal less crime. Just look at the one demographers often use for comparison, Maryland vs. Virginia, instead of these childish Long Island vs Florida, or Hawaii vs Tennessee.

We have a letter to the editor from a guy who spent his career working in a building protected by armed guards, in a city famous for police shootings of anyone looking like a threat, and with "stop and frisk"