thinking about a muzzle brake

Blackops x 2

Can't fix ignorant.
Now, if they would just allow themselves to be educated...

Why is it, that the blast noise from a brake at the firing line makes you a d***head, but the same guy that would bitch about it thinks nothing about dumping a 30 round clip from his AR right next to your head?
 
Too each his own. The recoil of the .308 is a pussycat compared to other guns especially in light of the pressure wave and noise being the tradeoff. I'm sure there's some arguement to be made on reducing recoil for spotting your shots but muzzle blast and noise off of a braked gun is as detrimental to spotting those shots as the nominal recoild of the .308 round is.

LOL, I can shoot my .308 as long as I want and not have recoil become a factor, some of the other magnums I have, not so much.

Wouldn't mind a good suppressor though.
 
I shoot a .300wby braked and with hearing protection it's not bad, sure it's noticeably louder but it's not "detrimental" by any means.

This is a serious question with no pun intended, have you ever shot 200rds straight through your .308?

And yes i wouldn't mind a nice can either.
 
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The recoil of the .308 is a pussycat compared to other guns
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Where in his statement does he imply that the .308's recoil bothers him?
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especially in light of the pressure wave and noise being the tradeoff. I'm sure there's some arguement to be made on reducing recoil for spotting your shots but muzzle blast and noise off of a braked gun is as detrimental to spotting those shots as the nominal recoild of the .308 round is.

LOL, I can shoot my .308 as long as I want and not have recoil become a factor,
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And I can shoot my Lone Eagle braked 15" 7mm08 as long as I want and not have "pressure wave" nor noise be a factor.

Some responders pretty much told the guy he was a wimp for not handling 308 recoil (which he never complained about) and then turn around and say they can't handle the noise and "pressure wave"? Really? Pressure wave? From a 308? Now THATS funny.
 
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There are clear advantages to shooting a .308 with a brake, if you shoot long range or competition for instance where you fire 100-200rds a match recoil wears on a person that is fact. It will reduce physical wear, help spot shots, and ultimately aid in correction for wind, due to retained sight picture of your shot.
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Good point, hadn't thought of that because that isn't what I use my rifles for......sometimes it is a matter of perspective, not ignorance.
 
There are clear advantages to shooting a .308 with a brake, if you shoot long range or competition for instance where you fire 100-200rds a match recoil wears on a person that is fact. It will reduce physical wear, help spot shots, and ultimately aid in correction for wind, due to retained sight picture of your shot
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the only LR competition that I know of that allows brakes is the light gun class of IBA, unlimited sighters and 5 rounds per string for score

Thankfully they are still banned in F class and in NRA high power matches. I know they are not allowed in CMP matches as of 2011 rules either

I can see their use for someone with a shoulder injury,but one of our regular shooters is a 60 + female that might top 105 pounds dripping wet and she shoots F class 308 with no problem. She is usually in the top 3 also.
 
I shoot a .300wby braked and with hearing protection it's not bad, sure it's noticeably louder but it's not "detrimental" by any means.

This is a serious question with no pun intended, have you ever shot 200rds straight through your .308?
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I use to shoot a 300Wby quite a bit and then had that gun braked. The results were a greatly reduced recoil and a greatly increased muzzle blast and concussive wave. I was asked more than once by range officers to put it away even with hearing protection. I think I was shooting something like 78-80grans of IMR 7828 and a 180gn BT.

Nope not 200 in my .308 but I've shot about 300 in my Garand which is a whole lot more punishing than my .308 is. Done that on many occassions.

Brakes have their place in IMO, and nicely tame the recoil of overbores but are just not needed on standard short action calibers unless you are doing it for simple asthetics. To each his own, my personal opinion is that the tradeoffs on something like a .308 far outweigh the benefits.
 
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the only LR competition that I know of that allows brakes is the light gun class of IBA, unlimited sighters and 5 rounds per string for score

Thankfully they are still banned in F class and in NRA high power matches. I know they are not allowed in CMP matches as of 2011 rules either

I can see their use for someone with a shoulder injury,but one of our regular shooters is a 60 + female that might top 105 pounds dripping wet and she shoots F class 308 with no problem. She is usually in the top 3 also. ]
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Your forgetting practical long range rifle matches like snipers hide cup and blue steel safari. Where walking all day and shooting at an unknown distance for first hits on target in different positions is the standard. The rifle is also nowhere near F class weight. That's the long range shooting I'm referring to.
 
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tobnpr said:
Here we go again...
"get a better recoil pad"...

Why don't these guys "get" that a brake allows you to stay on target for follow-up shots, and spot your own hits...

Go for it.
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+1

Limited thinking about brakes is it's recoil only. For many shooters it's about getting back on target for the second and even third round.

Sure, brakes are obnoxiously noisy some times, but there are several brakes designed to direct the noise down range away from the shooter and not to the sides of the shooter.
 
the recoil of my .308 really doesnt bother me that much, but im of the opinion, the more comfortable you can make ANY recoil the easier it is to shoot. with the recoil pad im putting on this thing, recoil really wont be an issue,others have stated the reasons im thinking of one. it would be nice to see my shot hit through my scope, the reduction in muzzle jump is the biggest draw for me.
 
i should probably add, this is not a hunting rifle. this is my target gun. way to heavy to be carrying around on a hunt. with the scope and bipod it will weigh in at around 12 lbs~.

i always have ear protection on. this will mostly be shot at the range from a bench until i get comfortable and break the 500 yard mark. (thats as far as the range goes)

ideal would be a brake that is not open on the bottom, so if i ever do end up laying in the dirt in the desert i wont be making a dust storm.

muzzle brakes seem to be pretty accepted at my range, i see alot of guys shooting with them, would be nice to have a thread on cap in the event i decide i dont want the brake on it.
 
I think much of the ignorance comes from people not being able to be open minded enough to accept that other people have different needs.

Anytime I talk to someone that is against brakes he fits into one of these categories:
1. hunter that takes one shot
2. Does one of the NRA competitions like f-class and thinks thats what real shooting is.

I understand that you don't need a brake on your 20lb 6mm rifle that you have to have just the perfect flat ground or bench to shoot BUT try to go out into the real world and you will see that
1. you wont find a spot to shoot from a perfect position
2 your 20lb recoil absorbing rifle is to heavy to lug around and shoot 5 different targets within 60 second
3. your small target bullet that has little recoil in the first place, doesnt pack much energy
That is REAL WORLD shooting and many of us compete in tactical competitions that mimic this. Even though it is not practical to use in the real world I can respect the skill, dedication and time it takes to become good at your competition without mocking your equipment, so why can't you do the same.
 
+1 for JP Enterprise

They have a video on their website of one of their employees firing an M16 fully auto one handed with the arm stretched out.

If that does not do it for you, don't know what will. ;)

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Recoil

you have to take into consideration the shooter might have a bad shoulder, age and needs the caliber and not the recoil.:eek:
 
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