Think the Patriot Act doesn't affect you? Think again!

"I'm not a terrorist, so thie Patriot act doesn't effect me". How many times have you all heard that nonsense?

I wonder as to the following. When if ever will people who believe that particular faily tale pull their heads out of the sand, or wherever it might be that they have stached their heads?
 
this is not about being denied some right to buy a home...it is about flagging certain people/behaviors
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Wrong, if I refused to sign I would be denied the right to buy the house
 
Rich said, "No big deal when they started capturing SSN's on hunting licenses for the War on Dead Beat Dads."

Can you say backdoor gun owner registration? :eek: :mad: :barf:
Paul B.
 
Sensop:

"In 1987, I purchased a home here in Georgia. I just happened to have a sizeable chunk of cash for a downpayment. The bank from which I was borrowing the balance wanted to know where the cash came from. It was a combination of savings and payout from separation from my previous job. But the bank claimed that since they were FDIC insured, and since it was a VA loan, they had to report all sources of funds to the federal government, which included where MY cash came from. The bank said it would be verified prior to approval.'

So what happened? Did you tell them to get bent?

To the "as long as it doesn't affect me now, it's ok by me" guy - today you perceive that you have a problem only if your last name is Mohammed (it ain't, so you don't). Problem is, if the law stands, tomorrow you will have a problem if you first name is Bubba, you own and gun, and the gummint people don't particularly like you (you'll then be labeled a "terrorist" of course, as that definition gets broader and broader). Is your name Bubba? Watch out.

OK, Quartus, you're right - no it's not hilarious, but still I laughed for some reason when I read that. :dunno:
 
It sure is good to hear some thinking going on. And I'm glad I'm not alone when I laugh out loud as two imbiciles argue over meaningless color codes.

This president and his bozo AG curtail the rights of our own citizens while this government pursues an invasion/occupation of a country that was not involved with 9/11 and did not have weapons of mass distruction. The most bizzare thing about it is this concept of self preservation by first strike.

THAT'S OSAMA'S ARGUMENT.

I'm glad things are going so poorly that they've stopped (for the time being) pretending that North Korea is some sort of threat to the United States.

And I'm also glad that the team of draft dodgers have stopped smearing the one guy who had the clout not to go - but chose to fight.

If you made this stuff up, Hollywood wouldn't even make the movie - too unbelievable.
 
invasion/occupation of a country that was not involved with 9/11 and did not have weapons of mass distruction
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The first is debatable, the second is an outright lie.
The most bizzare thing about it is this concept of self preservation by first strike.

THAT'S OSAMA'S ARGUMENT.
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No, Osama and his ilk argue for the destruction of all who are not them. Not threats, not a specific group, just any who are not "good Wahabbis."
 
1. It looks pretty clear to me that he disarmed after the Persian Gulf war. He couldn't admit that without losing face to his neighbors. The president used our lack of insight into their culture - plus plain old lies (shopping for uranium in Africa, for example) - to build a case. If you're going to argue that it was just "bad intel," then why did it take this long for Tenent to be fired?

2. You're right. The Wahabbis hate us for intruding on their version of 13th century "heaven." But Sadaam isn't Wahabbi. But, our pals, the Saudis funded Osama and worldwide Wahabbism. The Saudis and the Malaysians also founded the BCCI bank. The Malaysians currently bankroll both the drug trade AND they bankroll Native American casinos. So who do we invade? Iraq.

My point is that if you accept the president's opinion that we had to strike a potential threat, then you have to accept Osama's reason for attacking us. By its very existance, the United States is absolutely a threat to Wahabbism because people can see for themselves the difference between our standard of living and what is the result of living under thier rule.
 
Major Kong - Destructo6:

What exactly do the last three posts have to do with the subject at hand?

Let's keep it on-topic, okay?
 
It's CYA time

and the agencies need to look as if they are performing competently, even when they are not.

It is also a superb opportunity for a power grab, which is what PATRIOT really is. :barf:
 
If they have good information about who the terrorists are, why don't they just arrest them?
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They have to find them first, hence the screening. Also, since these folks can be expected to travel or operate under assumed names, they may need to screen a pool of names. Some may be known aliases, others may be stolen identities, such as those Kuwatis who were disappeared my Saddam during the 1991 invasion/occupation.
 
to paraphrase (sort of):

First they came for the Drug Dealers
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Drug Dealer.
Then they came for the Terrorist
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Terrorist.
Then they expanded the definition of Terrorist
and I did not speak out
because I was not included in the expanded definition of Terrorist.
Then they expanded the definition of Terrorist further
but I did not speak out
for now I am a Terrorist.
 
All the rah-rahing Patriot Act defenders are in for a rude awakening once President Hillary gets her hands on all those exciting powers that come with the Patriot Act.

Talk about the turkeys taking up a collection for knives and chopping blocks, just because the current chef claims to be a vegetarian...
 
Right on the money, Marko.

If you read the history of this administration without the names or geographies, you would never guess that this happened in America.
 
Talk about the turkeys taking up a collection for knives and chopping blocks, just because the current chef claims to be a vegetarian...
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An excellent summation! :D


Even though I believe the current chef really is a vegetarian, I really can't say I have the same confidence in the NEXT chef, whoever that might be.

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel."


Patrick Henry
 
I think it was a general comment, not directed at anyone on this thread. I know I've certainly heard a lot of it from some who should know better.
 
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