Think the Patriot Act doesn't affect you? Think again!

TheBluesMan

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Full article here: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5131685/site/newsweek/

Excerpt:
With the passage of the USA Patriot Act of 2001, which required that financial institutions create anti-money-laundering compliance programs, anyone purchasing property must be checked against a list of names of known and suspected terrorists. The list has been around since before the September 11 attacks, but increasingly the ritual closing ceremony has involved writing yet another check to the title company that runs the homebuyer’s name against that list.

What’s behind it? The Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control maintains the “specifically designated nationals” (SDN) list of people blocked from participating in “any transaction or dealing … in property or interests” within the United States. These people have been identified “to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, acts of terrorism,” according to White House Executive Order 13224, which was issued Sept. 24, 2001. Although the blocked-persons list has been around in some form for about a decade, under the order private individuals (be they jewelers, pawnbrokers or suburban families) buying or selling property are now considered “financial institutions” by the government. And the responsibility has fallen to the title companies to check all parties involved in a transaction against the list. “The SDN list has been around for years. Obviously, since 9/11 the use of charities and banks and different organizations for terrorists to move money have brought it more to light in recent days,” says Molly Millerwise, a Treasury spokesperson, explaining why homebuyers in the heartland are considered financial institutions under the jurisdiction of the Office of Foreign Asset Control. Terrorists, she says, use property to launder money.

It's not enough to make law-abiding citizens go through a background check prior to buying a firearm, now we have to do the same to buy a home. Thank you Mr. Bush! :mad:
 
I've been saying it for a few years now: The blind "Law & Order!" crowd is doing more to move America towards a police state than the liberals could ever accomplish.
 
Ok...maybe I should elaborate

With all the paperwork you have to do to buy a home why does this worry/bother anyone????

Be advised you also can't buy the house unless your credit checks out...feel free to blame the Bush Administration for that as well if it makes you feel better.

I saw a post on another board by someone in the lending industry...he said it takes him all of 30 seconds to run the check...so I see it as pretty much invisible...

What I can see you getting fired about...if anything...is that some lenders are charging for this service....what a scam!

Maybe if I bought a lot of houses..(I have owned 5) and my name was Mohammed it might bother me
 
Like our Bushmen buddies are fond of saying:

"If you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about."

db
 
Blame is for God and little children.

Is this supposed to be a big deal?? :confused:

Credit check when purchasing a home = go figure.

I'd guess we've all been chained to the whipping post by President Bush.. :barf:

12-34hom.
 
Funny,

I just bought a house in FL, can you say "Massive Debit" boys and girls. I never saw that form in any form.

Geoff
Who paid $65 for the credit check. :cool:
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but a lending company who is going to loan you $XXX,XXX has every right to inquire as to your credit history. As it should be.

But this form has nothing to do with the lending company other than they are probably required by law to have it filled-out etc.

So, you are buying a house in, say, Michigan. You are borrowing money from, say, a loan company in Michigan. What business is this of the Federal Government? Unless it's an FHA loan I s'pose.

Also, the same (or similar) form has to be filled out to simply open a savings account at my local credit union, based in Michigan.
 
The Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control maintains the “specifically designated nationals”

So this list only applies to foreign nationals?

These people have been identified “to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, acts of terrorism,”

Who is the arbiter as to who poses a "significant risk" of "committing acts of terrorism?"
 
Why argue over this?

Few "Americans" care about the slow erosion of their rights, as long as they can buy beer, get cable and the minivan starts.
Wait -is this another ploy to compile a list of folks not to call when the SHTF?
:p
BT
 
Well, I just posted this in another thread, but it applies here. Anytime a politician - or one claiming to be a statesman - uses the word "war" in conjunction with a noun... look out. He's either very uneducated, or he is trying to get one over on you. One or the other.
 
No big deal.

It was no big deal when they started tracking financial transactions in the War on Drugs.

No big deal when they started requiring ID for interstate airline travel.

No big deal when they started capturing SSN's on hunting licenses for the War on Dead Beat Dads.

No big deal when they turned Airline Travel into an "implied right" to strip search by technology.

After all...GW will never abuse these laws. And the next guy? Oh, hell, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Just now, I'm real happy to know that the Gubmint is active keeping Osama from buying a home in my neighborhood. I heard he was shopping for new digs here last week. I assume that all the people on that list move freely within the country and the FBI is only alerted to their activities when they purchase real estate. Must be real priority National Security Concerns, those guys. I feel much safer now.
Rich

ps: Wake Up, America. You are not becoming safer, just more compliant.
 
In 1987, I purchased a home here in Georgia. I just happened to have a sizeable chunk of cash for a downpayment. The bank from which I was borrowing the balance wanted to know where the cash came from. It was a combination of savings and payout from separation from my previous job. But the bank claimed that since they were FDIC insured, and since it was a VA loan, they had to report all sources of funds to the federal government, which included where MY cash came from. The bank said it would be verified prior to approval.
 
Obiwan,

With all the paperwork you have to do to buy a gun why does this worry/bother anyone????

Be advised you also can't buy the gun unless your credit card is approved...feel free to blame the Clinton Administration for that as well if it makes you feel better.

I saw a post on another board by someone in the firearms industry...he said it takes him all of 30 seconds to run the check...so I see it as pretty much invisible...

What I can see you getting fired about...if anything...is that some gun shops are charging for this service....what a scam!

Maybe if I bought a lot of guns..(I have owned 5) and my name was Mohammed it might bother me

Am I correct in assuming that is a suitable substitution?

The "Background checks, searches, and wiretaps are fine with me, since I have nothing to hide" crowd always has such a surprised look on their faces when one morning they wake up and find out that all of a sudden they do have something to hide.
 
Tamara...

I see your point...but in my mind they ARE different....

If you were borrowing money to buy the gun..then yes...I think the lender has a right to wonder if you are a "good guy"...and I do not begrudge him checking.

My real point was that this check...is one of many...and invisible....

And to use your metaphor...if the gunshop owner charged me for the free state background check....then that would torque me off a lot more than the check.
 
If you were borrowing money to buy the gun..then yes...I think the lender has a right to wonder if you are a "good guy"...and I do not begrudge him checking.
And that is the definition and scope of "credit". But this new check goes beyond credit.

My real point was that this check...is one of many...and invisible....
It's not so invisible if one has to fill out yet another form, like the one joab has showed us.
 
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