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Interesting how this ties in nicely with THIS THREAD from 2002.

I have said for some time now that it is interesting how we have to go to sources outside the U.S. to get these stories.

If we can just convince them to embrace Christianity, the feds will swoop in there and shut them down in a heartbeat.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/paul-williams051107.htm

Springtime in Islamberg

Radical Muslim paramilitary compound flourishes in upper New York state
By Paul L. Williams Ph.D., (author of THE DAY OF ISLAM)

With the able assistance of Douglas Hagmann, Bill Krayer and Michael Travis

Friday, May 11, 2007

Situated within a dense forest at the foothills of the Catskill Mountains on the outskirts of Hancock, New York, Islamberg is not an ideal place for a summer vacation unless, of course, you are an exponent of the Jihad or a fan of Osama bin Laden.

The 70 acre complex is surrounded with "No trespassing" signs; the rocky terrain is infested with rattlesnakes; and the woods are home to black bears, coyotes, wolves, and a few bobcats.

The entrance to the community is at the bottom of a very steep hill that is difficult to navigate even on a bright sunny day in May. The road, dubbed Muslim Lane, is unpaved and marred by deep crevices that have been created by torrential downpours. On a wintry day, few, save those with all terrain vehicles, could venture forth from the remote encampment.

A sentry post has been established at the base of the hill.

The sentry, at the time of this visit, is an African American dressed in Islamic garb - - a skull cap, a prayer shawl, and a loose fitting shalwat kameez. He instructs us to turn around and leave. "Our community is not open to visitors," he says.

Behind the sentry and across a small stream stand dozens of inhabitants of the compound - - the men wearing skull caps and loose fitting tunics, the women in full burqa. They appear ready to deal with any unauthorized intruders.

The hillside is blighted by rusty trailers that appear to be without power or running water and a number of outhouses. The scent of raw sewage is in the air.

The place is even off limits to the local undertaker who says that he has delivered bodies to the complex but has never been granted entrance. "They come and take the bodies from my hearse. They won't allow me to get past the sentry post. They say that they want to prepare the bodies for burial. But I never get the bodies back. I don't know what's going on there but I don't think it's legal."

On the other side of the hill where few dare to go is a tiny village replete with a make-shift learning center (dubbed the "International Quranic Open University"); a trailer converted into a Laundromat; a small, green community center; a small and rather squalid grocery store; a newly constructed majid; over forty clapboard homes; and scores of additional trailers.

It is home to hundreds - - all in Islamic attire, and all African-Americans. Most drive late model SUVs with license plates from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, South Carolina, and Tennessee. The locals say that some work as tollbooth operators for the New York State Thruway, while others are employed at a credit card processing center that maintains confidential financial records.

While buzzing with activity during the week, the place becomes a virtual hive on weekends. The guest includes arrivals from the inner cities of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania and, occasionally, white-robed dignitaries in Ray-Bans from the Middle East.

Venturing into the complex last summer, Douglas Hagmann, an intrepid investigator and director of the Northeast Intelligence Service, came upon a military training area at the eastern perimeter of the property. The area was equipped with ropes hanging from tall trees, wooden fences for scaling, a make-shift obstacle course, and a firing range. Hagmann said that the range appeared to have been in regular use.

Islamberg is not as benign as a Buddhist monastery or a Carmelite convent. Nearly every weekend, neighbors hear sounds of gunfire. Some, including a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, have heard the bang of small explosives. None of the neighbors wished to be identified for fear of "retaliation." "We don't even dare to slow down when we drive by," one resident said. "They own the mountain and they know it and there is nothing we can do about it but move, and we can't even do that. Who wants to buy a property near that?"

Islamberg's Grocery Store

The complex serves to scare the bejeesus out of the local residents. "If you go there, you better wear body armor," a customer at the Circle E Diner in Hancock said. "They have armed guards and if they shoot you, nobody will find your body."

At Cousins, a watering hole in nearby Deposit, a barfly, who didn't wish to be identified, said: "The place is dangerous. You can hear gunfire up there. I can't understand why the FBI won't shut it down."

Islamberg is a branch of Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, who refers to himself as "the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr," Gilani, has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat ul-Fuqra or "community of the impoverished," an organization that seeks to "purify" Islam through violence.

Though primarily based in Lahore, Pakistan, Jamaat ul-Fuqra has operational headquarters in New York and openly recruits through various social service organizations in the U.S., including the prison system. Members live in hamaats or compounds, such as Islamberg, where they agree to abide by the laws of Jamaat ul-Fuqra, which are considered to be above local, state and federal authority. Additional hamaats have been established in Hyattsville, Maryland; Red House, Virginia; Falls Church, Virginia; Macon, Georgia; York, South Carolina; Dover, Tennessee; Buena Vista, Colorado; Talihina, Oklahoma; Tulane Country, California; Commerce, California; and Onalaska, Washington. Others are being built, including an expansive facility in Sherman, Pennsylvania. (And that would be about how far from where you live? Buena Vista is 155 miles from me.)

Before becoming a citizen of Islamberg or any of the other Fuqra compounds, the recruits - - primarily inner city black men who became converts in prison - - are compelled to sign an oath that reads: "I shall always hear and obey, and whenever given the command, I shall readily fight for Allah's sake."

In the past, thousands of members of the U.S. branches of Jamaat ul-Fuqra traveled to Pakistan for paramilitary training, but encampments, such as Islamberg, are now capable of providing book-camp training so raw recruits are no longer required to travel abroad amidst the increased scrutiny of post 9/11.

Over the years, numerous members of Jamaat ul-Fuqra have been convicted in US courts of such crimes as conspiracy to commit murder, firebombing, gun smuggling, and workers' compensation fraud. Others remain leading suspects in criminal cases throughout the country, including ten unsolved assassinations and seventeen fire-bombings between 1979 and 1990.

The criminal charges against the group and the criminal convictions are not things of the past. In 2001, a resident of a California compound was charged with first-degree murder in the shooting of a sheriff's deputy; another was charged with gun-smuggling' and twenty-four members of the Red House community were convicted of firearms violations.

By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the DC "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to the group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan.

Even though Jamaat ul-Fuqra has been involved in terror attacks and sundry criminal activities, recruited thousands of members from federal and state penal systems, and appears to be operating paramilitary facilities for militant Muslims, it remains to be placed on the official US Terror Watch List. On the contrary, it continues to operate, flourish, and expand as a legitimate nonprofit, tax-deductible charity.


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Paul Williams is the author of THE AL QAEDA CONNECTION and forthcoming THE DAY OF ISLAM.
Lee Boyland is the author of THE RINGS OF ALLAH).
Dr. Williams can be reached at: letters@canadafreepress.com
 
It's about time all religions lose their tax-free status.

I guess we are too busy fighting them over there instead of fighting them over here.
 
read onalaska washington and looked it up. It is not far from seattle where my younger sister is thinking about going to college. But she might go to moscow cause it's closer.
 
Nothing will be done.

These are peace loving religious people. They are not discriminating and surely they are not involved in para-military training. :rolleyes:
 
So secret they even have a website.

http://islamberg.org/index.html

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Most affluent gated communities have those too.

Funny Dr. Paul isnt wearing body armor nor full of bullet holes.

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While I do not doubt that there are probably supporters of Islamic fundamentalists there what are the chances that most moved there to get out of the big city?

If the FBI or police dont have anything to tell you the press always seem to find Bubba and Skeeter who give earth shattering revalations.
 

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Sounds like a "fair and balanced article"! (Yeah, right!) If the "FBI won't do anything about 'em Mauwzlimz," then that probably means that the inhabitants of this complex aren't doing anything illegal.

This article seems pointedly charged with bigoted anti-muslim overtones. I wonder whether this guy truly believes there is a threat here, or if he just wants to make a social example out of a group of conveniently-disposed muslims.

Oh, and IF I WERE a muslim living in this country right now, you can BET I'd have an armed guard at my driveway, ready to fend off the local rednecks from burning a cross in my yard or throwing a brick through my window.
 
I say, assembling is their right - more power to them.

Keeping & bearing arms is MY right, to try and shut them down when a few of their number go off the deep end and start shooting into crowds.
 
...ready to fend off the local rednecks from burning a cross in my yard or throwing a brick through my window.

I've been wondering about that since 9/11. Have there been any cases of burning crosses on Muslim lawns? I haven't heard of any, which surprised and pleased me. Let me know if you know of any.

I've heard of bricks soon after 9/11, but other than that I really haven't heard of many hate crimes.
 
While anecdotal in nature, the set-up does seem destined to cause violence.

The majority were recruited from prison. They have a range in use (felons aren't to use, or even hold, firearms or ammunition) They are obviously not mainstream Muslims, nor are the groups who arrive during the week-end.

It's pretty hard to believe that the firing ranges, in use during the week, don't accomodate felons. Ex-cons who need an armed guard are going to be a problem, sooner or later.

It's also pretty safe to bet that the Feds have infiltrated these sites, as well. As to "shutting them down" if there are violations, they are probably trying to unwind the trail to the entire organization before charging any individuals.

Instead of accusing the reporter, who is also an author of books on Muslims, let's maybe think that he recognizes threats that we don't. Nobody here is an expert on Mislim fundamentalism.

Read the comments again. Why does everyone have to be so insulting? The level of PC evidenced in the diatribes against the entire article, and it's author, is worthy of an MSM special.
 
I would like to point out that the only thing the reporter seems to want to show is that they are terrorists because they have a target range.
 
I would bet money, that the FBI has a few surveillance devices and/or infomants keeping an eye on things there.

Not saying what they do is wrong, just enough indicators to warrant a closer look. (Convicted felons, firearms, vistors from countries where known terrorist orginate from, remote location, para-military style training facilty, ties to suspected terrorist organizations)

That is if the article is correct.
 
Unsure of the numbers, from the report:

Before becoming a citizen of Islamberg or any of the other Fuqra compounds, the recruits - - primarily inner city black men who became converts in prison - - are compelled to sign an oath that reads: "I shall always hear and obey, and whenever given the command, I shall readily fight for Allah's sake."
 
That would be indicative of felons. Few misdemeanors that wouldn't also disqualify one from owning firearms justify prison sentences.

I also believe that the firing range is used as a back-ground article. If there is a range, and the people live there 24/7, as some do, there would probably also be an armory and a magazine for ammunition. The people from the big cities wouldn't be able to own firearms around there, either.

I would also be concerned over the combat veterans description of the use of explosives. Unless, of course, you've decided that those outside the compound are more dangerous than those inside. You know, the red-necks, as they were so knowingly described.

Venturing into the complex last summer, Douglas Hagmann, an intrepid investigator and director of the Northeast Intelligence Service, came upon a military training area at the eastern perimeter of the property. The area was equipped with ropes hanging from tall trees, wooden fences for scaling, a make-shift obstacle course, and a firing range. Hagmann said that the range appeared to have been in regular use.

I would like to point out that the only thing the reporter seems to want to show is that they are terrorists because they have a target range.

So, it would appear that the level of reporting here isn't much better than that of the MSDM. Nowhere in the article did ANYONE accuse these people of being terrorists. As for pointing out the firing range, try expanding that to include ALL of what was said. Then add in this.

In the past, thousands of members of the U.S. branches of Jamaat ul-Fuqra traveled to Pakistan for paramilitary training, but encampments, such as Islamberg, are now capable of providing book-camp training so raw recruits are no longer required to travel abroad amidst the increased scrutiny of post 9/11.

Why would felons be sent to Pakistan to undertake paramilitary training? Unless, of course, they were expecting to use that training, laws or no laws.

Talk about people with their head buried in the sand. While it may not be PC, as so many of you are quick to point out, there are a number of contradictions in your statements regards the camp, and in the facts presented. Care to explain them?
 
There are two similar camps here in VA. Need to research it some more, will then return with names and locations. If anything these places should have an eye kept on them to say the least.
 
I'm not going to offer any of my own insight on this, mostly because I don't have any, but it does interest me that Onalaska is only 104 miles away from me. I'll have to pay attention to this.
 
I live in Onalaska. Five miles out of "town" actually -- but the town is really just a wide spot in the road, 200 or so residents on a co-op water system. Not even incorporated.

We've lived here 12 years, and I've never heard of this training camp. No rumors of scary people. No sightings of black felons wearing Muslim garb, either here in Onalaska or down in Chehalis (surely these guys would need to stop at WalMart at least every once in awhile? ... and they'd stick out in this community, believe me.)

Asked around today. Nobody I asked, including a couple of the local right-wing cranks, appeared to have heard of it.

Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But if the locals are all afraid of these guys, they must be some locals I've never met.

pax
 
Im not sure if Terrorists intent on destruction would be so blatantly obvious as these people are? But it could be part of the plan...
 
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