They swear they fixed it...

At the right price I'd give it a try.

Remington has always done right by me, and I own their last orphaned product (105 CTi II). This thing's way cheaper than the 105 was- even if it's nothing more than a curiosity it might be nice to have one. It looks blockier in the pic than the previous "un-fixed" pics I've seen, but I'd still try it.

Like James K said, I've got plenty of guns that work. I'm willing to chance it on an inexpensive curiosity.
 
thinks there should be a white plastic trigger and cap on the frame for the water to be put in....
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heck, I've bought those, too...so maybe??.....hmmmm
 
Like James K said, I've got plenty of guns that work. I'm willing to chance it on an inexpensive curiosity.
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I'm sort of in the same place. I own some fine handguns, mainly Sigs and CZs, but I have found this design interesting since I first heard about it.

I'm willing, after waiting a while to make sure Remington has REALLY fixed the glaring deficiencies of the first run, to take a chance on this.

I will be looking for one to hold and inspect as soon as they hit the LGS.
 
Except for the rear sight being backwards I don't see that it's that much uglier than all the other plastic out their.
 
Looks a little like an LC9's ugly sister.

(Probably the 'R' on the grip got me in a Ruger frame of mind.
 
It does nothing that existing guns don't already do.
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Okay, if THAT is the argument...

Do you buy any guns at all? Ever?
Waiting for a phaser gun or the fart gun they used in Despicable Me?
 
Too ugly.

I don't get the appeal of this thing, original version or new one, it's just hideous. There's no need to make an ugly gun.
 
Except for the rear sight being backwards I don't see that it's that much uglier than all the other plastic out there.
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Pretty much sums up how I feel about it.

But then I've seen a Colt 2000...so it's still not the ugliest.
 
I was interested when it came out. Fortunately, I never saw one. IF the new iteration does what it is supposed to do, I might be interested. I would have to actually have one in hand and examine it first.
 
One approach that would work for me is to offer an initial run at firesale prices... Say, the first 5,000 units. Then we can all sit back ten years from now and read the posts from folks claiming to have the prescience to pick up a pre-sale r51 and it is now worth 20x what they paid for it.
 
I handled one in a gunshop before they were recalled, and it was in poor condition. Pulling the slide back felt like you were grating cheese, or using a rasp. I hope they've fixed the issues, but I don't think I'll be getting one. I do think its in competition with the PPX and Hi Point for the ugly gun awards though.
 
Pulling the slide back felt like you were grating cheese, or using a rasp.
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I hate when a gun makes that spring sound, vibrating both in my ears and on my arm. Makes it feel cheap. It is coupled with the slide racking. High pitch. Like nails on a chalk board to my ears and my hands. Thank goodness I never have had to do it often!
 
The backwards sight means you have an incredibly sturdy adjustable sight that will not drag when you are drawing through clothes. As pointed out, you could use it to rack the slide in a weird situation, like your other arm is out. The tapered nose makes it easier to holster and removes unnecessary weight. It looks like it has a good full handed grip. I'd say the cosmetics that people are complaining about are functional bonuses.
If they got the mechanicals fixed, the interesting action means it has less recoil. I'd say it could be a pretty good choice of firearm if they fixed it.
 
jimbob86 said:
The stuff Andy mentions si the reason I wanted one .... I'd still want one ....if they worked.
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Me too. But, with the major issues that Remington (and Freedom Group as a whole) has had with quality control, I would want to see how it does over the next 3-5 years.
 
Something tells me that the Para guys in Charlotte were not giving this gun the attention in manufacturing that it needed, what with knowing they were fixing to lose their jobs, or having to move to Alabama. Reminds me of the union guys who used to leave Coke bottles in the car doors in Detroit.
 
Me too. But, with the major issues that Remington (and Freedom Group as a whole) has had with quality control, I would want to see how it does over the next 3-5 years.
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What issues other than the R51? They have had great success with the R1 1911 line and appear to be whipping Para into shape after purchasing it. I am not aware of any other big QC issues?

I know you can blame Para to it's first failure but the design was the main cause of the failures from what I can see. It is not surprising to me that a new pistol design had problems either. What would surprise me is if it doesn't get fixed properly. Time will tell but this is no reason to shy too far away Remington or Para for that matter.
 
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