These aren't your daddy's Remington's

I know my eyes aren't what they use to be, but isn't the R5 sporting a standard DI gas port?? And why not include folding front and rear sights???


Jim
 
My fathers old style 700 .308 was 600$ and for the quality rifle it is from remington it would now cost 1000+.
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What you fail to take into consideration is that anything that cost $600 20 years ago would be $1000+ today. It's called inflation. Take it from someone who is your fathers age. While I'm at it, Savages might be accurate but their stocks are crap and there triggers aren't anything near what they are cracked up to be so, you get what you pay for. It was true 20 years ago and it's true today.
 
The quality has dropped in their base models. They had to stay competetive. If Savage is making a cheap rifle with a cheap plastic stock and a cheesy trigger, then Remington has to make something to compete with it. Their upper tier rifles are still as good as they ever were, they're just seemingly much more expensive. Compare it to what a gallon of gas was 20 years ago compared to today. The national average for gas in 1990 was $1.34. It has almost tripled in the last 22 years. A high quality Remington rifle has just doubled.
 
Thats true again i'm not talking about the upper tier rifles i'm talking about the regulars. Remington loss their quality when they were bought out. Not because savage suddenly emerged and became good or at least thats what i choose to believe.

The X-mark trigger is the standard now and it's horrible compared to the old style trigger. The SPS stocks might as well be tuboware. Savage stocks don't seem to be near as awful as the sps lineup.
 
Well, I guess it may be the fact that I have never cared much for synthetic stocks. I prefer walnut and blued steel so all the newer rifles with synthetic stocks seem kind of cheap to me with a few exceptions. The Sendero for one has a nice stock but it also has a nice price tag.
 
I know the feeling i like both :) but yeah the synthetic stocks have gone down.

I have a sendaro stock (HS) just can't stand the palm swell on it i have little hands. I love high quality stocks like McMillan. Also like my dad's stock on his .300 WBY it's the 700 KS custom mountain edition (discontinued in 2008) with the bell and carlson sporter on it a believe.
 
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Yeah, those are all nice stocks. I don't hate synthetic stocks, I just don't care for the run of the mill stocks on a lot of the newer rifles these days. I am still considering the SPS Tactical with the pillar bedded Hogue overmolded stock but, I have a nice .243 and will have a nice 6.8SPC if my barrel ever shows up, so I am not sure I have any real life need for a .308.
 
In that case you can get a action for about 450-500$ and build off it. Then again you can get an entire gun from the pawn shop for about that also. The SPS tactical is a pretty good gun. I wouldn't mind that barreled action to drop into my HS.
 
Remington owns freedom arms inc so now they are just restamping all of bushmasters and DMPS guns with remington and tacking on a few more euros to the pricetag. I would rather just get the originals and not deal with the customer service nightmares should I get a lemon.
 
Well I'm going to totally disagree with the Remington bashers here and say the new SPS Buckmasters I bought this year is 10 TIMES BETTER then the POS 1970's BDL I bought new back when.

That BDL POS bolt handle was BROWN and not blue. Worst "blueing" job I've ever seen on a rifle. And the 7mm Rem magnum chamber wouldn't chamber Remington ammunition, only Winchester because I found out after shooting it (by rotating the fired case 90º) that the chamber was out-of-round. I was lucky to shoot 2" groups at 100 yards with it. So guess what? You could get stuck with a lemon back then more easily (IMHO) then you can now.

And all you guys say how wonderful everything was "back then". Horse****!! They didn't have CNC machining centers and most of the modern equipment that makes holding tolerances much easier and more consistent. And the materials are no different now then back then. Same (but better now) steel, same (but better now) heat treating processes, except now there are plastic stocks where there were only wood in the "olden days". So that makes the whole gun cheaper?

I've been an engineer for a transmission company and worked in many other industries over 45 years and seen all the "processes" evolve into much, much better controls from initial design on solid works CAD systems, to factory layout, to machinery used. Gentlemen, it's a FACT!
 
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