The wife is like a magnet

I ordered the Kimber OC spray thing and it has a belt clip so hopefully a BG seeing that and here awareness will help. I told her to wear it when she is shopping and on walks and she said she would.

I am going to re-introduce her to guns in short order. She shot my Glock 27 (40 cal) and liked it while shooting gun range ammo until she got to the Corbon carry load that I put in as the last round in the magazine! :D She also shot my Mustang 380 and liked it (which would have been a great gun for her if I hadn't sold it). I believe she even shot my full sized Kimber 45 and liked it.

I am really afraid that she will take a liking to my Kimber CDP that is on the way and want it. :o

She is the type that says "No, I can't carry a gun....can I?" and then she starts warming up to the idea. She is already coming around.

As I told her to the objection you just raised about someone getting her gun. If the perp has dominion over you enough to get your gun a) you are probably dead anyway and b) it may be a preferrable way to go over what he had planned for you.

While she currently can't see herself shooting someone in self defense, I think that with training that will change. I also think that if armed and confronted for real, she would do what she had to do...especially if the kids are with her and in danger.

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sreising said:

I would honestly be wary of concealed protection for her at the moment for three reasons. 1. There is a child with her. I never carry my arms when my child is with me alone. 2. At least around here, most chain stores (Target, Wal-Mart, and the like) have no concealed policies. She would have to leave her weapon in the vehicle, and if that vehicle gets jacked, the bad guys get an extra "present". Not good. 3. If she is not a regular shooter and/or is the slightest bit uncomfortable carrying a weapon, a split-second decision to shoot may break the situation.
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well....

1. I am not a woman but I make a point of carrying when I have my 5 year old daughter and infant son with me. My job is to protect them. Do you really feel you will be more effective against a determined attacker bent on harming you and your child unarmed?

2. Most states, check yours, those "No Guns" signs carry no weight of law. If they find out they can ask you to leave and you must do so. Concealed means concealed. Do you think Target is going to assign an armed gaurd to protect you the entire time you are on their property?

3. On this I agree with you. She should have practice and be in the right mindset. If she cannot see herself using deadly force agaist an attacker she should not carry a gun.
 
JKP, Dude relax. There is a problem from illegal Mexicans in Vegas. I'm sure he was referring to those folks and not all Mexicans. I am hipanic and can understand what he was referring to. Besides there just words.
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Exactly right. Most people can make the distinction. But two of the posters here apparently can't

I see nothing wrong with expecting a little common courtesy on the board -- there is a tendency among some when discussing immigration issues to paint with a broad brush. I resent that just as much as I resent the left-wing "Chicano activists" who claim to speak in my name as well. No reason to not call ignorance for what it is -- ignorance.

Enough of this thread hijack, though. As for the OP, I am in a similar situation with my fiancee. She has to do a lot of travelling for work, and I worry about that a lot. She was in a mugging situation when she was in school, and kept her head (the guy was caught by police soon thereafter, just a punk with a toy gun, but no way for her to know that.) She generally keeps good situational awareness, but she does not want to carry a gun (in fact, I had to have a long discussion with her when I went to buy my first CCW a few months ago.) Right now, she will be carrying a canister of OC -- better than nothing (and easier to deal with when she has to fly.)

As for the whole "no gun" signs thing, well, unless you're in a state where it is outlawed by statute, I see no reason to pay them much heed. Concealed, after all, means concealed.
 
Okay...to answer all the questions directed...

1. I also have a 5 year-old daughter Musketeer, so I understand where you are coming from. For me, it's a personal choice. We can teach them everything and think they are well-prepared, but when the situation comes at hand one of three things are going to happen..a. They become submissive and crawl behind you b. They know you carry a weapon, and even if concealed, they may either verbally or visually point it out (they are kids ya know) making it "concealed" no more 3. They run screaming (good job)
As well, at least for me, I would have a harder time making the decision to shoot through or around her if the perp picks her up to shield himself/herself or is in their general direction...and...I would not want to inflict that kind of mental state upon her. Therefore, I do not carry. One may do just as well without a weapon with an attacker than with one. Ammunition-fueled defense is always my last resort.

2. At least here, where I live, most chain stores require you to walk through a metal-type detector to go inside. Even though I know it would be less weight, as far as the law is concerned, I personally will not shirk my responsibility to obey store policy because of a "determination" to carry a weapon. I don't "work" that way. With not a lot of stores in my area, as well, I really can't afford to be barred from any of them because I feel that I just cannot protect myself or my family without a firearm at my side.

3. Self-defense. Okay....the first thing about self-defense....You don't use it to take the perp out. You use it to bide time and get away and/or create valuable space between you and the perp. Yes, I know a 180 pound man is going to, logically, take down a 120 pound woman more easily than someone his own size. However...and please remember in my first post I said "if grabbed from behind"...the first thing you want to do is to try to get away or at least face-to-face with the perp. A 2-inch heel to the instep or any other sensitive part of the body (stomach, behind the knee, elbow, lower back, groin, etc) is going to make any human instinctively react...i.e. bend over. That creates enough time to get a head start on the next move, whether it is to run, grab the pepper spray, or even draw an arm. My aim in this situation, I reiterate, is to create space. Even if you got me to the ground on your first move, there are ways to try and get that space needed. Everyone only has 2 arms/hands and 2 legs/feet. You would need all 4 to get me into a position where I cannot move at all. If you are using all four of your limbs to control all four of mine, you're just as stuck as I am.
If, for some reason, you do "get" me, if you are concetrating on me, and my kid has a chance to get out of the situation, I'm totally fine with that. My first priority is to my kid, not myself.

Sorry so long, but if you have any more question, please feel free to "shoot" away! :)

Shan
 
Just a quick comment

2. At least here, where I live, most chain stores require you to walk through a metal-type detector to go inside.
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Actually, those are usually anti-theft devices, not metal detectors. Otherwise, they'd be going off all the time from belt buckles, wheel chairs, etc.
 
Yes there are those, I know. But, I also know, that at one of the chain stores here, there is a security guard who mans the front with both a walk-through and a hand-held wand. Believe me, there has been some local backlash from it, but then again, I've yet to hear or see on the news where this particular store has had any type conflict. Because of it's "success", the school system, two years ago, installed detectors with guards and hand-helds specifically citing this store's direction.
Let me say this, though. I honestly believe that this is a bit much, especially in my area of less than 10,000 people total in the whole of the county, but my wariness has softened the closer my daughter gets to school age. Now, the school uniform policy is a completely different bag of chips! :)

Shan
 
The sensors at the WalMart and at the tack/hardware store here are serviced by the same company. I can always tell when the service people have been through, because the shrapnel in my leg sets them off. After a couple of weeks, they stop alarming the clerks as I enter and giving me a hassle as I leave...for another 3 months. :D

I was told by the seervice rep for the outfit that I couldn't set them off with the shrapnel in my leg. When I went through in a bathing suit and got dinged, he just said "Well, s..t!" I offered to do it naked, but he opined that wouldn't be necessary and please don't. :D

Pops
 
Where are these safe communities?

I live in Las Vegas -- in an older part of town close to the "core." Great houses, nice neighbors; would not want to live any place else (in Vegas).

The local police web site has a program called 'Crime View' that will create a map of your address and all the crimes commited during the past XX days. Yesterday I input a 1/2 mile radius and 60 days. The results showed several burglaries, one stolen car and 3 assault/batteries. As an aside: last Dec our neighbor (4 doors up) was knocked down inside her garage and had her purse stolen at 2:30 in the afternoon with a street full of kids playing nearby.

Anyway, I also input my buddy's address who lives in one of the nicer parts of the Summerlin development, which itself is a bit tony. Again, 1/2 mile and 60 days. The results were almost identical. Burgs, assaults etc....

I'd bet if I simply said crimes were occuring similarly (without showing Crime view output) in each area, many Summerlin residents would think me nuts. Afterall, they pay much more and live much farther from the poor, drug addled masses than I do so it just has to be safer.

Is it? We've had several home invasions in gated communities. The talking heads on TV say some crooks actually target gated communities because people there have a false sense of security (and generally more wealth).

Finally, don't many of us carry a weapon precisely because we know that bad things can happen virtually anywhere, even in the 99.5% of America that is safe?
 
Yes there are those, I know. But, I also know, that at one of the chain stores here, there is a security guard who mans the front with both a walk-through and a hand-held wand. Believe me, there has been some local backlash from it, but then again, I've yet to hear or see on the news where this particular store has had any type conflict.
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They check every customer enterring the store!?!?! What chain is this? They obviously do not want any legal gun owner's business so please tell us who it is!
 
If she is willing to put that key beetween her fingers and use it as a stabbing instrument, she should realize thats not that different than using a knife.

On more subconscious levels, I think predators tend to read body language more than anything. Potential targets look less like 'prey' when they display confidant strong behavior. This can be done whether or not the person is armed.

Self defense is more than just putting a weapon on your hip or within reaching distance. It starts in your mind.
 
Besides getting a gun and learning how to use it...

BTW, make sure she wears sensible shoes. Shoes that she can run and fight in and not heels.
 
Yes, Musk, they do. However, I'm not one to throw names, so no offense, I'd rather not start now. :)

Gary,
I disagree. You see, most women wear heels as second nature, so our balance is not too jaded when wearing them. Of course, I'm not talking about stilettos or more, but the normal "everyday" 2 inch or less heel. And, heels are the ultimate in making basic self defense more painful. It's another pointed weapom if you will.

Shan
 
Hey! Don't knock 2" heels and pointy toed footwear. That is what I wear, when not driving for a living. And, I'll bet a paycheck I'm not the only male on this board who does so. :D

Pops
 
SING (Supplex/shoulder, instep, nose, groin)
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That is a wonderful thing to learn, provided you're teaching it as places to
put a bullet. I'd rearrange it though....

Groin, instep, shoulder, ..........count to 30 slowly........... nose.
 
Your wife is aware but could do ever better by searching out the area where she parks. If followed in the store, she should grab an employee and ask for security in a loud manner and point at the suspect. And if someone is around, don't get out of the car, keep the doors locked and move to another area. Look inside stores before you walk in. Don't go to your car in the parking lot if you see someone loitering around it. Awareness can prevent bad things from happening.
 
Hey! Don't knock 2" heels and pointy toed footwear. That is what I wear, when not driving for a living. And, I'll bet a paycheck I'm not the only male on this board who does so.
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Well, maybe not, but does your footwear tend toward cowboy boots, or stilletto heels? :D
 
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