The wife is like a magnet

newarcher

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Two incidents happened that are just scary as hell to me. I am trying to get the wife interested in concealed carry as a result, slowly she is coming around.

Target. Just like the young lady in Kansas, she picked up a man that was following her around the store. Getting too close for comfort and just acting strange....hard to qualify but acting strange. My wife, not wanting to be rude as any Southern woman is taught, just kept shopping. He kept up with her isle for isle. Even when she half ran across the store to get away from him (into the bra section no less) he was there in seconds. Finally, she whipped out the cell phone and called me....what am I supposed to do half way across the State?. When she did that, he took off....I mean literally TOOK off almost in a run. Soon after that, a security guard for the store approached and said he was watching the guy with the cameras and was on his way to intercept him when she called me. They couldnt' find him. So the security guard walked her to the car.

Kroger Saturday night. I usually go shopping after dark for good reasons. Saturday my wife and 4 year old daughter had to go, I couldn't. So she parks, checks the surroundings, gets out and gets my daughter out of her side of the car. As soon as they come around the side of the van, there stands two latino men at her back bumper nearest the passenger side tail light. It startled my wife because she knows the cars all around her were empty so they walked up there, stopped, and were waiting for her to get out. She swept way wide of the men (picking my daughter up and moving with her fast) and the men spoke in spanish for a few seconds and quickly followed her. She kept seeing them in the store but thought nothing of it, thinking she was being paranoid. When she was at the checkout counter, they were milling about somewhere in the vestuble because as soon as she was out the door, they were again following her back to the van. She whipped out the cell phone, which lights up like a UFO when in use and started dialing. As soon as they saw it, they took off running the other direction and she loaded up the van and left.

I already talked with her about this latest incident and everything she did wrong....too many things to count. She now knows what to do if something like that happens again.

It must be the way she carries herself or the fact she is driving a van and armed with a kid that makes her easy prey for these people. She walks the dog in the daylight hours and I keep telling her something is going to happen to her but she won't listen. She goes at about the same times each day and someone is going to grab her if she isn't armed. She carries mace but that is only so effective.

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Sounds like her situational awareness is good, she picked up on the two incidents before they developed into anything, (this was confirmed by the guy at target who was watching the same guy).

What kinda of advice are you looking for?

Has your area been undergoing an economic down turn, is crime on the upswing near your home.

I think you might be onto something with her demeanor, maybe if she made a bigger show of being alert (I think she already is alert), but if she made a bigger show of it, looking at people directly, not looking thru her purse or whatever mannerism makes people think she is unaware. Maybe that is all she needs to do.
 
Welcome to Las Vegas

Vegas is a santuary to every pervert, crimminal, ******, meth/crack freak, and general peckerwood; they come from all over the United States just for the easy living. you name it, we have it. any Vegas tourist's listening?
anyhow......our biggest problem are vagrants in the parking lot, and no security nearby. one evening a lady went to the cash machine and withdrew 200 bucks; when she got outside, a vagrant jumped her, knocked her head into the blacktop, and ran off. they caught him and he is now doing time; but here is how we put a big dent in crime around wal mart, target, grocery store. I went to each store manager and told them that it was their responsibilty to protect the customer inside the store, and in the parking lot. that means that every time a vagrant pops up, they have to run them off; and if my wife/kids so much as get a scratch from one of them, they will be sued. in vegas, when somebody says SUE, they listen. not only did I talk to the managers, but many others said the same thing. when a vagrant, or peckerwood is hanging out, they jump him like a duck on a junebug.
when my wife is bothered by anyone, she yells at the top of her lungs, "GET THE **** AWAY FROM ME" usually they are so stunned they back away; heres a another tip. if you can avoid it, do the shopping during the day. keep the gas tank full, so she isn't tempted to stop and put gas in it herself. and get a BIG nasty dog. we have a Rott, and he does not like anyone messing with his family, especially his momma. its a crazy world, and to survive, you have to be ready
 
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As a woman and as a shooter, I would like to reply. :)

I would honestly be wary of concealed protection for her at the moment for three reasons. 1. There is a child with her. I never carry my arms when my child is with me alone. 2. At least around here, most chain stores (Target, Wal-Mart, and the like) have no concealed policies. She would have to leave her weapon in the vehicle, and if that vehicle gets jacked, the bad guys get an extra "present". Not good. 3. If she is not a regular shooter and/or is the slightest bit uncomfortable carrying a weapon, a split-second decision to shoot may break the situation.

My advice? First and foremost, get her enrolled in a general self-defense class. Teach her SING (Supplex/shoulder, instep, nose, groin) just in case she is grabbed from behind. Tell her to carry her longest key between her second and third fingers, parallel to her fingers. (safe but easily flipped for a short-ranged weapon) If she strikes, she should generally aim for the middle of the chest. Lastly, but certainly not least, make sure the child knows what to do when a stranger approaches.....run as fast as she/he can towards the first person they see screaming at the top of his/her lungs all the way. The kid shouldn't stop screaming until he/she is to that person. Talk to him/her about who that person could be. Sometimes, my kid and I when riding in the car play a game about this. She points to someone and says "nice" and then I go, then we talk about why those people we've pointed out would be nice people.

Of course, she probably already knows that she should not have waited so long to react in those two situations. She should never think she's crazy for making her way to the closest worker in a store for safety or even asking someone to escort her to her car. On the other hand, she should not be afraid to go places after dark. As long as she is prepared, no person should have to fear leaving their homes at any time.

Love,
Shan
 
Vegas is a santuary to every pervert, crimminal, Mexican,meth/crack freak, and general peckerwood; they come from all over the United States just for the easy living. you name it, we have it. any Vegas tourist's listening?
Daniel,

As a person of Mexican descent, I resent your equating me with the rest of the lowlifes.

Please take your bigoted ignorance elsewhere.

Thanks.

JKP1187
 
nbk2000:
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.

Can we save the ethnic purity nonsense for someplace else, please? Hispanics that are here legally have just as much as right to be here as ALL the other immigrants that make up our country. The only non-immigrants here in the US are the Apaches/Cherokees/Seminoles/etc...

NEWARCHER: I think carrying would be the right choice for your wifey (now if you could only talk her into it... ;) ). One of the other posters had a good point on the stores not allowing CCW. That would be something to work around, but I think whatever signals she is sending out that scumbags are picking up on might change if she had the confidence of being armed and trained to use her weapon.
 
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Just for the record, my reference to the spanish speaking fellahs wasn't a slam on the entire hispanic population. However, it was very important to the story and made a very big difference in the situation because she doesn't speak Spanish. So she had no way of knowing what they were saying, which ratcheted up the fear levels.

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Hi,

you got to know that i am german and live in germany. I am a hunter and shooter and yes it is legal to have guns in germany if you are a sports shooter or a hunter ( as hunter as many long guns you want) it is not allowed to carry only when hunting or when you are on the way hunting

I have been several times in the US. Only to CA,OR and Washington State.
when i read posts like the first one from newarcher , i sometimes think to myself " what the heck is going on over there?" Are they are all paranoid? is it that dangerous in normal neighborhoods?
Are there so many homeinvasions? like it is described in some threads?

I don t want to confront you i just would like to know how it is. Or are many americans made feel like they have to be prepared anytime everywere, by media?
Tell me what you think!

regards David
 
David - I wondered why Newarcher doesn't move his family out of there.

When you read about neighborhood on the net I think you only hear the worst possible scenario.

I live in Los Angeles in the San Fernando valley and in my neighborhood you could leave your car unlocked and your door open all day and night and the chances of anything bad happenign are 1 in a million.

But, In many of the poorer neighborhoods that are more congested (higher occupancy areas = lots of apts.) you would not be safe for ten minutes with you car unlocked and the doors to your house open.

99.9% of America is very safe but I believe the people on these forums have a mindset of being prepared for that 1 in a million chance of bad luck - I know I do.

So take another vacation to America and bring plenty of Euro's.
 
99.9% of America is very safe but I believe the people on these forums have a mindset of being prepared for that 1 in a million chance of bad luck - I know I do.

I would agree with that as well, (maybe more like 99.5%). There are communities though that are pretty unsafe. Bad stuff does happen though even in some 'safe' places. And since our country provides us with the freedom to be armed, some people do.

NEWARCHER-we're cool-I wasn't talking to you at all. You reported the facts.
 
Are they are all paranoid? is it that dangerous in normal neighborhoods?
Are there so many homeinvasions? like it is described in some threads?

I don t want to confront you i just would like to know how it is. Or are many americans made feel like they have to be prepared anytime everywere, by media?
Tell me what you think!

David, I see it like this; kind of related to the saying I've seen here so many times : "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it".

In other words, better to be prepared for the 1% chance (attack, home invasion, robbery) and experience the 99%(safety from criminals, people with ill intent) than expect the 99% and experience the 1%.

Of course, you can't be prepared CONSTANTLY, at least in my opinion. There has to be a balance. I feel that you have to let your guard down at times (in "safer" circumstances), which to me doesn't mean going unarmed, rather, it means that if I'm in the woods around a fire with a few buddies having a couple of beers (at which point, I don't carry my gun, but it's in my Jeep nearby), I think it's important to relax.

I'm still looking for that moderation, but I don't think everyone in America is paranoid ALL THE TIME. Paranoia can be useful. I'm sure the media affects a lot of our thinking as well, making us look over our shoulder a little bit more than we would be without. They report over and over all of the bad things going on. While it's not the norm (the murders, etc.), it still IS definitely happening to someone, and who's to say it's not going to happen to your family?

I've only been carrying for a few months at this point. It just becomes comforting after a while. Sure, I go through situations in my head when I see something that could potentially be dangerous; but most of the time my mind is elsewhere; enjoying what I always used to enjoy.
 
Well, regarding our area...it is generally very safe. It is the occasional oddball that is causing the crime.

We just moved because the area we lived in had become saturated with illegal aliens. I personally like many of the illegal aliens because they have a strong work ethic and are good family men. However, the gang activity that accompanies their people is becoming overwhelming. Lawrenceville, my old city, is becoming almost like a war zone. Multi million dollar drug busts, severe gang activity, home invasions (usually against their own people who can't legally own a gun or get a bank account....so unarmed cash rich people become targets).

People can call me a racist if you like for my next statement, but as the area I live in fills with minorities and illegals, it gets less safe. Call me a racist if you want but I will retaliate by calling you statistically ignorant. Again, that's not saying all immigrants or minorities are bad people, quite the opposite. But something about their cultures brings crime. Period.

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To answer David's question, we all feel the need to be armed because there are a LOT of German immigrants here! :D ;) Just kidding, pal.

I will keep my comments to myself regarding why I think things are the way they are in America so as to not ignite a war on these boards. But I will just say that we are reaping what we sow and paying for the sins of the forefathers.

Most places in America are very safe. No problems. However, every single place in America--and the world--has crime of some sort. I don't know many people who go out of their door in the morning and says "well, today is the day I get murdered or raped or robbed". People become victims at times when they never thought that they would. That makes preparation essential, be it a gun, knife, martial arts, etc. As in my example of my wife, there are people who criminals key in on...the 5'3" petite woman for instance where myself at 6'3" 285 I rarely get bothered.

As someone once said, "there are just a lot of bad ass people out there looking to hurt someone, anyone". That's true.

I will also say that these boards represent the most motivated 2% of America, so these boards probably don't represent America in its true form. Most people just go about their lives giving little worry about their safety and the potential for being a victim. I would say that 100% of the board members here are exceptionally paranoid! :D

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Newarcher:

When you have to apologize for recognizing, and speaking, the truth, you know the society you are living in is a society no longer worth living in.

Black Adder LXX said:
There are communities though that are pretty unsafe.

Care to share the defining characteristics of such 'communities' with the rest of us, so we can recognize and avoid them?
 
Well NBK,

The truth isn't how I want it to be...I am not wearing a sheet right now. :D

Every culture has its troubles....American Indians (my race) has severe alcoholism and poverty but fairly low crime. Spanish culture has a high degree of gang activity and drug crimes. Black culture has a severe problem with drugs and alcohol. Asian culture has gangs (very violent gangs).

As I tell people who call me a racist for my views, MLK would agree with me. I don't dislike blacks or any other minority....I dislike everyone! :D Just kidding. Anyone debating the issue with me will never hear me say that I dislike blacks, mexicans, asians or anyone else as a whole. I dislike their prevailing culture and their belief systems and the crime and trouble that comes with them. But that goes for my culture also, we are perceived as a bunch of poverty striken drunks...many spend their entire existences proving that. I dislike all criminals regardless of race. I had a neighbor who was black (an undertaker of all things) and we were great friends and would do anything for each other. Bill Cosby recently came under fire for saying exactly what I am saying. I think that if MLK was alive today, he would be saying much harsher things to his people. The really sad thing is that the black culture specifically is just eating itself just for spite and just so that individuals can act black. That's not my words, that is from their culture....staying out of trouble, off drugs, keeping a family entact, and prospering if you are black in America today is acting WHITE. Again, not my words, straight from the mouth of the poeple in that community.

I think that America is really going wrong with the PC 'can't talk about race' stuff. Someone will call me a racist in minutes, trying to shut down the argument. By not calling the problems within a particular community PROBLEMS, we are allowing the garbage to go on. As we have seen in the black communities, by not rooting out the trash and handling the problems....that culture has almost taken over as the norm of how black culture should be. I am using the black community as an example here, because I am most familiar with it, but it could be any community.

We have real problems in America today that make it unsafe to live in many places. We have come to accept this because any efforts to drive out the criminals and their element is labeled as racist and then the bar of what is acceptable behavior is lowered further into the gutter.

Non minority people are often derided because they leave when their areas begin filling up with illegals or minorities. Why is that? Is it because the area converts to an Amish like culture where it is very safe and people help each other out and crime is low? No. They leave because it often becomes a war zone. People of minority status like to talk about how the whites leave when they get there solely because of the color of their skin. I personally couldn't care about the color of your skin, I care about your actions and behaviors.

Anyway, I am not going to change anything.

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Sreising,
I never carry my arms when my child is with me alone. 2. At least around here, most chain stores (Target, Wal-Mart, and the like) have no concealed policies.

How do you intend to protect your childs life then?

What the store doesn't know (about my gun) ain't gonna hurt them. Here in Fla all they can do to me is ask me to leave. Believe me I will take my money right out that door.

My advice? First and foremost, get her enrolled in a general self-defense class.

While it is great to have self defense training understand that there is a difference between a 120 pound woman and a 180 pound man. If I get you on the ground (which I will) it is not going to be pretty for you.

Women in general, the elderly, or just us little folks are better served with an edge (weapon of some type) IMO.
 
JKP, Dude relax. There is a problem from illegal Mexicans in Vegas. I'm sure he was referring to those folks and not all Mexicans. I am hipanic and can understand what he was referring to. Besides there just words.
 
Getting back to the topic...

Your wife needs to carry some form of self defense. IF she is not willing to invest the time to learn how to use a gun and practice with it (flame suit on)... SHE SHOULD NOT CARRY ONE. A gun in the hands of an untrained person often leads to bad results such as hitting innocent bystanders or having the gun taken away and used against him or her. Buy her a tazer or good pepper spray such a the one from Fox Labs. DO NOT FORCE HER TO CARRY A GUN!

As already mentioned, your wife has good situational awareness. I suggest you have a good talk with her and try to break the "have to be polite no matter what" mentality. There are predators out there and she has to be prepared. She has been lucky that those people ran away when she pulled out the cell phone. Even if the police were five minutes away, the deed would be done and all they would be good for then is taking a report. That is assuming that she was not seriously injured, killed, or abducted.

She does not have to curse or scream at people to get their attention. Direct eye contact is often enough to let a bad guy know that you have already spotted them and that they will not catch you off guard. Many will move on to easier pickings. If she has some form of protection (or maybe even takes a few self defense courses), her confidence level will go up and she will project that to the bad guys. I don't recommend that a woman ever go hand to hand with an unknown bad guy (or even guy vs. guy for that matter) even if she is somewhat proficient. Don't expect bad guys to fight fair and they sure as heck won't allow you to do many of the things you learn in self defense schools (its much easier to do the moves with a willing partner).

I'm glad nothing happened to your wife and I hope she considers carrying some sort of protection (not necessarily a gun), after these two incidents.
 
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