The Warrior mind set, is thinking too slow?

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Good post, Murdoch. But the last post reminds me of a comment by Horace Kephart. He, I think, had invited someone along to watch one of those long range single shot rifle competitions popular before WWI. He thought his friend would be impressed. Instead he said, "If it weren't for the smoke and the noise, this would be quite the lady's game." Kephart was a little let down but was forced to agree that it was nothing at all like hunting.

Does the original poster believe there is any relationship between being a bouncer and a warrior? Or am I missing something entirely?
 
"If it weren't for the smoke and the noise, this would be quite the lady's game."
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Chortle! :D Guns are a way to turn money into noise.

Does the original poster believe there is any relationship between being a bouncer and a warrior? Or am I missing something entirely?
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I guess that's for him to say. An effective bouncer would have good combative skills and superior situational awareness, which I think he articulates.

He does a somewhat rambling analysis of how routine exposure to pending violence taught him to read warning signs such as body language, which is a critical survival skill. I interpret his main idea to be that with sufficient exposure to nasty situations, one learns to analyze developing danger subconsciously, thereby avoiding the need to take the time to consider a situation consciously before reacting to it. "Southnarc," among others, teaches how to read such signs (he calls then "cues") in his extreme close quarters gunfighting classes.

The OP also articulates in a later post that his job was to preserve a place of safety for young persons to socialize without fear of predation. He also discusses a role in training police, etc. in those combative and awareness skills. So, yeah, I think he makes a case for at least one bouncer -- himself -- as a warrior.

And yes, IMO if you carry a gun this discussion of recognition of impending interpersonal violence and how to react to it quickly in a normally peaceful society is gun related.
 
Imo, you don’t have to be a warrior to have (or use) a "warrior mindset"… but that may just speak to what I think of as the warrior mindset … constantly thinking : observing and evaluating those you meet, the surroundings and how they can be used, weighing advantages and disadvantages of different courses of action within the environment … all with the purpose of maximizing the ability to use of your strengths against "their" weaknesses. Admittedly, most of this is done before a fight physically begins, but for someone with the "warrior mindset" the fight began (and if his thinking was correct, the fight’s outcome was predestined) before the threat presented itself as such. The greatest strength of the "warrior mindset" is in operating by a set of principles that the "warrior" recognizes is greater than his self interest but only rarely do the two conflict … because the principles are so much a part of him. To win; both the for the good of himself and the good of those principles, is the object. All else is failure. A personal failure is a noble sacrifice if the principles were upheld in the process.

I don’t like the term "warrior mindset". It’s too flashy and sounds like those using it are always looking for a fight when the opposite is usually true … since the greatest victory is when you win without a fight, and the greater strength you achieve, the more "forgiving" you are able to be.

a way of approaching life, imho .. whether in fighting, debating, or conducting business in the free market. The two books I would recommend are The Art of War, and The Book of Five Rings … and observing the "principles of operation" behind the tactics described.
 
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[QUOTEGood post, Murdoch. But the last post reminds me of a comment by Horace Kephart. He, I think, had invited someone along to watch one of those long range single shot rifle competitions popular before WWI. He thought his friend would be impressed. Instead he said, "If it weren't for the smoke and the noise, this would be quite the lady's game." Kephart was a little let down but was forced to agree that it was nothing at all like hunting.

Does the original poster believe there is any relationship between being a bouncer and a warrior? Or am I missing something entirely?
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It is hard to balance a Liverpool in the early 1960s, and the USA of today, or even a few years ago. Being a warrior (Vague term) is a mind set, the mind set of an individual.

The football crowd, with beer in belly were terrible then, more so now!

They came out to fight, and we obliged, so forget the movie notions of two big men dragging some one out of a Club/Pub. Our altercations took place in the door, or in Mathew St. (pronounced Matt-you)

Little old me at 5'9" and 190 did not fit that mold in any way shape or form.

So in trying to explain this concept, I seemed to have left my self open to ridicule, not to worry.

Any posts that are made, by any one, can be attacked, but if one part of an honest statement can be used to pass on a means to help win a common or garden fight, that can not be so bad, yes?

Back in 1995 I was a Guest Speaker of The Georgia Assoc; of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors, just prior to the Olympics, 266 of Georgia's finest were in attendance. My certificate (Plaque) of appreciation sits on the wall in front of me now.

My standing ovation came from having met the Beatles on many occasions more than anything else! But my warnings in dealing with liquored up Brits did not fall on deaf ears, not from reading it in a book, the Liverpool Kiss (Head Butt) could be avoided.


I sent an email to Murdock, (Scottish?) did your spam blocker block same?
 
Our Club, The Cavern was really the only place kids could go, all the other Clubs had drinking licenses, and memberships.

The same problem for kids then, as now, no were to go! You have heard that lament before have you not.
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I don’t buy that excuse. Never have an never will. As parents we have the responsibility to protect our children, not some “warrior” in a nightclub. Those children should never be allowed in an environment like that. No place to go? Hogwash! Take you children places. Spend time with your children. Don’t pawn your kids off on someone else. Take responsibility as a parent. Take them to church. Take them to Bible study. Go bicycle riding. Teach them how to ride a motorcycle, then take them out to the country and go dirt bike riding. Teach them firearms safety. Take them to a range with a couple of .22’s and shoot all day long for $30. I do all of the above, and then some. There are plenty of things a parent can do to keep their kids out of bad situations. If you can’t be a parent, then don’t have children. But no, in today’s society it’s so much simpler to give teen aged children a few dollars and shove them out the door for the evening. Never mind how evil the outside world is, never mind the trouble that’s lurking around every street corner, send them out because you’re too damn lazy to be a parent. That’s the reason this world is so eff’ed up right now. I’ve got three children, two daughters and a son. Both daughters made it to age 19 as virgins. Society today would laugh at that. I’m damn proud of it. How did my wife and I do it? By doing what I wrote above. Spend some time with your kids, their youth goes by quickly, before you know it they are adults. Do you want to raise them and protect them, or is it just fine for the “night club warrior” to raise and protect them? Okay, I’ll climb down off my soap box. I apologize if I offended anyone. But it truly bothers me. Thank you.
 
Good on you Mike38

I totally agree with you, and did the same with my two, my little girl is 50!

But it was not so in my part time job as Bouncer, and minder, at that time, at that place, and still worked a 44 hour full time job, and did not smoke or drink.

And I am not going to apologies for who I am or what I did, what you see is what you get.

I lived 8 miles out of the City Center, the Pool was, and is different than where my kids where brought up, plus we moved a lot, UK, Australia, Canada, now Gods Country.

But say what you really mean! Don't hold back!
 
My Personal "KUDOS" to Blue Train, and Murdoch. Thanks fellas for keeping this thing in perspective.
I wonder if Brit is now operating in the US? or still in the UK.

I do see his point, but I think he may be mixing, and matching round pegs with squair holes. Although "WARRIOR MIND SET" is popular these days. I believe it's an inapropriate term for anyone other than Active military in an active theatre.

Another poster stated this more eloquently than I could ever do.

Blue Train... your comments about policing, and the warrior mindset is absotively posoloutly dead on target. I feel exactly the same way, based on my experience in Policeing. Notice I say Policeing, and refrain from using the term Law Enforcement. Two different animals.

Just to keep the thread going... Civilians with "firearms" should never confuse themselves with the police... no matter how much better a shot they are, no matter what training they have, no matter what someone told them.

The Police should never ever ever ever confuse themselves with the US Military. No matter what equipment they have, no matter what training they have, no matter what kind of a "FIREARM" they have, No matter what kind of a uniform they wear.
 
Were am I?

When I started this, my tongue was stuck firmly in cheek! Was I brave, or foolish? Stirred up a storm yes?

I live in Florida, with legal green card, can apply for US Citizenship in 2011, if you guys don't block it!

I do not take a pill, fit as a flea, my 65 year old second Wife (Who I love to death) thinks I am handsome, despite being a Liverpool Hooligan, she is from Guyana. Came first most accurate in my last IDPA match, out of 45, not too bad, third in class.

By the way, love the US, came in legally, my Son (47) is a US Citizen, I think Arizona is right.

Going back to trying to ignore the fantastic team the Germans fielded!
 
No, but I met Jerry Marsden on many occasions, "Ferry across the Mersey" in fact he was featured in a Concert I worked at in New Brighton, we were employed by Brian Epstein, the Stones where on that venue, and Jerry Lee Lewis I think.

A mad house night, one fight all night, till you read the newspapers the next day, same as now, lies galore.

We worked concerts on The Royal Iris, on the Mersey cruises. Is that the Ferry you mean?
 
Well, I've known many British folk, including one young (at the time) woman from Liverpool and she did indeed have a photo of a ferry across the Mersey. I've even known a few WWII veterans who served in the British Army, I think probably all gone now. At the home of one, about 25 years ago, I met a former colonel commanding the Blues who served in 2 HCR in WWII, along with a former Polish soldier who competed in the 1936 Olympics. And the gentleman at whose home all this took place also competed (for Canada) in a later Olympic game and had taken part in the last mounted operation in WWII, which was in Palestine. These were all horse people.

Now the curious thing is that in all my converstations with the one (the others I only met once or twice), we never talked about the war, beyond finding out what units were involved. That was pretty much the same with my father, who served in Italy. The was was ancient history. Current events, mostly family, was about it.
 
WW11

We used to watch the flames of the exhaust, from the side of the engines as the fighters took off from Lord Derby's estate, half a mile from my Dad's Pub.

The Long Pull (nickname) The Victoria Hotel.

We had an anti aircraft gun mounted outside the Pub, on a concrete pad, big wing nuts on bolts, at night they mounted the Gun. I would have been 6 or seven.

I still rememberer the criss cross of sticky tape on the glass of the windows, and the crump of the bombs, not a light anywhere. We also had a great big water tank in our back yard, emergency water. When they took it down, after the war, big fish in it, Granny cooked it. Was good.
 
The last British individual I met, about a year ago, was the grandmother of my daughter's boyfriend. She served in the RAF during the war. War stories galore but no mention of guns. She came here as a war bride. Now my daughter's boyfriend is serving in the USAF. He doesn't have much to do with guns.

Another acquaintence, this one Irish, told me the other day that if I was ever in Cambridge, I should go to the back room in the American Eagle pub. They had taken a wall that was covered in graffiti from wartime GIs and put it overhead. He also said that, knowing the English, it'd be there forever.

I'm still thinking whether or not a nightclub bouncer is a warrior or not but then, I've never been to any nightclub, much less one that had a bouncer.

Did you ever read anything by Jeff Cooper? For most of us, frankly, I think he had more to say for ordinary people about personal defense (that is, defence) than any of the classical works about war. But just as all of the books about the Samauri and Bushido were written well after the warring period in Japan, few of the classical books about war were written by famous and successful generals and more than a few famous and successful generals had a Waterloo. One, however, well worth reading is "Infantry Attacks" by of all people, Erwin Rommel, before he made general.

I can't believe I just recommended Jeff Cooper to someone.
 
Jeff Cooper

Blue Train.

I met Jeff Cooper on more than one occasion, we had him as a guest speaker a few times in an assoc I was a board member of for twenty years.

And my Son and I visited his House one Christmas when the range was closed.

I think I have posted this here? B/4? He put his arm around my Sons shoulder, Michael was a little taller than Jeff, he said "Your Dad is a fine Chap, except for his penchant for that pip squeak calibre, the 9mm"

The Bouncer bit is misleading, I am a Warrior, nothing to do with being a Bouncer really.

I worked with two Pals who were also (Warriors/Villains) Larry Newport was ex SAS, we never found that out till after his death in 2007, in Wales, his beret, and patches, apparently was in his room. The fastest hands I had ever seen.

George Downs, also a partner at the Cavern Club, 6'2'', pair of shoulders as wide as a door, he could grab someones face with one hand, George and I worked together to the extent he has left if I never turned up!
Only happened once! Not able to find George? Last saw him in 1965.

I left some changes behind in England! If you intend to go again, give me a shout. Your friend is right, they will ply you with drinks going to that Pub, we as Brits appreciate those many of thousands of Yanks who died in the War, I know I do, I never would listen to derogatory remarks about Yanks.

I would be speaking German now, or be dead except for those troops, those thousands of white crosses in Normandy, are mute proof.

Then those Germans add insult to injury and beat us in the World Cup!
 
You've met Jeff Cooper and even been to his house! Oh, dear. I'll be quiet now.

I'm neither a bouncer nor a warrior, in spite of having served in the army for three years and another in the D.C. National Guard. My father, my son, and my father-in-law all served in the army, yet we're not a particularly military family. And by the way, by now you probably know that in certain parts of the United States, people don't like being called Yanks.
 
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My Bad, wonder if that would get a reaction! In England it just means Americans! I remember the old statement about the Americans.
"Over payed, over sexed, and over here!"
My Dad said the first time he was asked for "Scotch on the rocks" (We kept a Pup) "where am I going to get ice from in the Summer".

In working at The Cavern Club, 1960-1964. That is where the Beatles played a lot, I spoke to them many times. Message reads... "Move the Van!" "Carry them yourself" In fact I got stabbed there, twice. If you need to hear about those incidents, send an email.

Remember the Beatles were just an other group to me, the kids loved them, me, I liked to chat to Acker Bilk more, of Stranger on the shore fame. he played Trad Jazz, thursday nights.

Maybe this is not a topic the gun guys want to listen to. Read about?
 
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