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The UN plan for global citizen disarmament
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Ah, no. I think you have it backwards. The veto is within the UN, to veto UN action. The UN was unable to block our invasion, and anything the UN did want to do we can veto.If that was the case, we wouldnt be in Iraq!!! We will be the odd man out..
Glenn E. Meyer
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Marko hit it on the head. So many folks support an authoritarian leader who violates our rights if the folks who get nailed are ones that they don't like.
When wiretaps and warrantless searches of gun owners (or domestic terrorisits) start under presidential authority - who will be doing the the squealing?
Let us recall that GWB would have signed the AWB renewal and leader-lovers excused that as a brilliant pro-gun deception or real world politics. Duh.
When wiretaps and warrantless searches of gun owners (or domestic terrorisits) start under presidential authority - who will be doing the the squealing?
Let us recall that GWB would have signed the AWB renewal and leader-lovers excused that as a brilliant pro-gun deception or real world politics. Duh.
+++1get The U.n Out Of The U.s And The U.s Out Of The U.n!
FirstFreedom
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Handy, I already explained it to you in the other thread - it's not the VOTE, it's the money. We should NOT give up the vote (voluntarily, that is). We should explain to the UN that we are from now on contributing exactly $0.00 dollars toward their budget, at least until such time as they quit funding idiocy with our money, but that we want to keep our vote. I have a feeling they will so sorry, you don't get to keep you vote. OK, fine, that's a tradeoff well worth taking in order to not fund their disarmament schemes that spread like a cancer, with our money- and we're talking millions upon millions of dollars.
Scott Conklin
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With what Army? ours?
With the UN army they hope to fund through direct taxation ability. Something the right US Admin might choose to allow, or at least "not oppose".
I have a newsflash for you: Hillary won't need the U.N. to get that job done. The tools are already in the toolshed at the White House, in the rack marked "War on Terror/USA PATRIOT". And guess what, they're not going to go with Dubyah when his tenure is over. Let's see how you feel about the necessity of these laws when it's a gun-hating Democrat who has the keys to that shed.
And who do you think she'll be submitting our military leadership to? Taxing authority? Many "anti-terrorist" efforts? UN/international forces and efforts, that's who. I am always amazed at how people refuse to look at the big picture in these sorts of discussions. We are not oprating in a vacuum. The UN and the US government are not "distinct entities", but rather mega-governments hovering on the edge of becoming one.
Hillary will make it happen and all the PA garbage and gun control and NAIS and enviromental regs will take on a life of their own outside our constitutional limitations. Just hide and watch...
And Handy, why is it when some people ojnline ask a question and get an answer they just seem to ignore it if it isn't what they apparently want to hear? Or maybe you just missed it...
FF,
I noted your response, but you seemed to admit that the vote itself was important, too. Which is more valuable to us, the money or the vote? How much money is it compared to our current debt and war spending?
Some of the other arguments are just silly, though. Like the ones that say the UN is going to get us because we are going to ask them to. If our leaders are going to screw us, they really don't need the UN to help. I see you just suggested something like that.
How about this: We leave the UN, vote in a government that wishes the US became part of a global empire, so they take what we save by not paying UN dues and hire a private Army to subdue the US and hand it back to the UN. Does that sound circular enough for you?
It keeps coming back to the fact that the only people that can hurt America is Americans. The UN can only stand up and cheer. There are no ready made armies with the size, technology and especially will to oppose us. All of Europe couldn't do squat, and they'd have to get here first. No, I don't fear Canadians.
I noted your response, but you seemed to admit that the vote itself was important, too. Which is more valuable to us, the money or the vote? How much money is it compared to our current debt and war spending?
If you are referring to the above, I really didn't know what to make of it as FF made two somewhat opposing statements.And Handy, why is it when some people ojnline ask a question and get an answer they just seem to ignore it if it isn't what they apparently want to hear? Or maybe you just missed it...
Some of the other arguments are just silly, though. Like the ones that say the UN is going to get us because we are going to ask them to. If our leaders are going to screw us, they really don't need the UN to help. I see you just suggested something like that.
How about this: We leave the UN, vote in a government that wishes the US became part of a global empire, so they take what we save by not paying UN dues and hire a private Army to subdue the US and hand it back to the UN. Does that sound circular enough for you?
It keeps coming back to the fact that the only people that can hurt America is Americans. The UN can only stand up and cheer. There are no ready made armies with the size, technology and especially will to oppose us. All of Europe couldn't do squat, and they'd have to get here first. No, I don't fear Canadians.
The only control over citizens of the US the UN has is a direct result of active collaboration by US bureaucrats and elected officials with the UN agenda. In far too many cases the UN agenda is implemented simply by bureaucrats saying, "Cool" and then doing it. I used to live in an official Agenda 21 city. City bosses made no bones about the vision and is origin. Not one time was there ever a vote taken authorizing the implementation of the Agenda 21 plan but it is in effect nonetheless.
Our problem is we have local and state government loaded with collaborators. Combine the just described bottom up force with the top down force in play in the current administration and you've got a serious challenge to freedom. We are rapidly on the way to becoming an overtly fascist government in league with international fascist organizations. Still looking for the statutory authority for the president to negotiate away national sovereignty yet he continues without protest.
Our problem is we have local and state government loaded with collaborators. Combine the just described bottom up force with the top down force in play in the current administration and you've got a serious challenge to freedom. We are rapidly on the way to becoming an overtly fascist government in league with international fascist organizations. Still looking for the statutory authority for the president to negotiate away national sovereignty yet he continues without protest.
kennybs plbg
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[QUOTEAs asked in two other threads (and still waiting for some sort of logical response): How, exactly, does giving up our UN vote put us in a BETTER position to resist this, or any other, UN plan?
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I guess your going to keep asking this until you finially get the answer you want, everyone else's answer isn't logical to you.
kenny b
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I guess your going to keep asking this until you finially get the answer you want, everyone else's answer isn't logical to you.
kenny b
Why, are they logical to you? FF makes a good point about the money, but the rest of the arguments fielded so far rely on collusion by US officials. Since those officials don't disappear the day we walk out of the UN, I think that I do have a logical point.
You'll find I'm highly convincible by reason. Give it a go.
You'll find I'm highly convincible by reason. Give it a go.
UN = New World Order?
The United Nations was founded on the premise that true national sovereignty is an outdated concept and that what the world really needed was a single global governing body. While this global organization would have representatives from all member nations, it still represents the concept of a world government.
I would like to direct your attention to some carefully concealed facts (and some that are probably conspiracy theorist speculation) about the UN. As the content is rather extensive, I will simply post the websites where possible.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/iron_mountain.htm
In 1961, the Kennedy administration ordered a "Top Secret" study to determine what problems the United States would face if the world moved from an era of war to a golden age of peace. In other words, how to bring America into the New World Order.
By 1963 the selection of the specialist had been made. This study group consisted of 15 experts in various academic disciplines who were selected for their expertise in their various fields. The first and last meetings were in an underground nuclear survival retreat called "Iron Mountain."
In the same year that this "Top Secret" study was called, 1961, The Department of State put out a publication (#7277) called "Freedom From War, The United States Program for a General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World."
This publication describes a three step program to disarm the American military, shut down bases and have one military under the United Nations. This "military" would be the world wide police force to be used as "peace keepers" throughout the world. The plan would include that "all weapons of mass destruction" be eliminated with the exception of "those required for a United Nations Peace Force"
...To support the UN Charter, the average citizen will need to be disarmed; so they cannot defend themselves against these "peace keepers." You don't have to watch much news to see that today, the UN forces are used as "peace keepers" throughout the world, disarming people so they can't defend themselves against oppressive governments.
To quote Sarah Brady, Chair of Hand gun control, Inc. "Our Task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
In 1963, the same year as the selection of specialists for this "Top Secret" study, President John F. Kennedy made an astounding statement. On November 13, while speaking at Columbus University, President Kennedy stated, "The high office of the President of the United States of America has been used to foment a plot to destroy America's freedom, and before I leave office, I must inform the citizens of their plight! Ten days later, President John F. Kennedy was shot and killed.
Iron Mountain has a history dating back to 1951, when a depleted iron ore mine in upstate New York was converted to the United States' first secure underground records storage center designed to protect corporate vital records in the event of a nuclear holocaust. This is where the Iron Mountain meeting was held! Since that time, while the motivation for records storage and management services has changed, Iron Mountain's world-government commitment and focus to store, manage, and protect records, documents, and electronic data has not wavered. In the past 50 years, it has been been in the vanguard of this industry.
The Journal of History - Fall 2003 Copyright ? 2003 by News Source, Inc.
The United Nations was founded on the premise that true national sovereignty is an outdated concept and that what the world really needed was a single global governing body. While this global organization would have representatives from all member nations, it still represents the concept of a world government.
I would like to direct your attention to some carefully concealed facts (and some that are probably conspiracy theorist speculation) about the UN. As the content is rather extensive, I will simply post the websites where possible.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/iron_mountain.htm
In 1961, the Kennedy administration ordered a "Top Secret" study to determine what problems the United States would face if the world moved from an era of war to a golden age of peace. In other words, how to bring America into the New World Order.
By 1963 the selection of the specialist had been made. This study group consisted of 15 experts in various academic disciplines who were selected for their expertise in their various fields. The first and last meetings were in an underground nuclear survival retreat called "Iron Mountain."
In the same year that this "Top Secret" study was called, 1961, The Department of State put out a publication (#7277) called "Freedom From War, The United States Program for a General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World."
This publication describes a three step program to disarm the American military, shut down bases and have one military under the United Nations. This "military" would be the world wide police force to be used as "peace keepers" throughout the world. The plan would include that "all weapons of mass destruction" be eliminated with the exception of "those required for a United Nations Peace Force"
...To support the UN Charter, the average citizen will need to be disarmed; so they cannot defend themselves against these "peace keepers." You don't have to watch much news to see that today, the UN forces are used as "peace keepers" throughout the world, disarming people so they can't defend themselves against oppressive governments.
To quote Sarah Brady, Chair of Hand gun control, Inc. "Our Task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
In 1963, the same year as the selection of specialists for this "Top Secret" study, President John F. Kennedy made an astounding statement. On November 13, while speaking at Columbus University, President Kennedy stated, "The high office of the President of the United States of America has been used to foment a plot to destroy America's freedom, and before I leave office, I must inform the citizens of their plight! Ten days later, President John F. Kennedy was shot and killed.
Iron Mountain has a history dating back to 1951, when a depleted iron ore mine in upstate New York was converted to the United States' first secure underground records storage center designed to protect corporate vital records in the event of a nuclear holocaust. This is where the Iron Mountain meeting was held! Since that time, while the motivation for records storage and management services has changed, Iron Mountain's world-government commitment and focus to store, manage, and protect records, documents, and electronic data has not wavered. In the past 50 years, it has been been in the vanguard of this industry.
The Journal of History - Fall 2003 Copyright ? 2003 by News Source, Inc.
UN Vote
I believe that in terms of National Sovereignty and Individual Liberty, the UN should be considered the enemy, not an organization in which we wish to participate. They have consistently pushed an agenda that includes complete civillian disarmament.
It is my firm belief that we need to get out of the UN and get the UN out of America before it is too late.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6535/UNPLAN.HTM
I believe that in terms of National Sovereignty and Individual Liberty, the UN should be considered the enemy, not an organization in which we wish to participate. They have consistently pushed an agenda that includes complete civillian disarmament.
It is my firm belief that we need to get out of the UN and get the UN out of America before it is too late.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6535/UNPLAN.HTM
Marko Kloos
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When the conspiracy theories get presented as evidence, it's time to lay the thread to rest.
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