Seeker, the point I tried to make is generally understood by those who use the shotgun section...
I was also trying to steer the thread back on track which I am doing again now.
And for HD, I cannot think of a time when I would grab a .410 over a 12 if able bodied enough to handle the larger...
But I do consider the .410 adequate in the hands of a person who knows the gun well and has the round capacity to overcome any less than stellar results with the first shots...
Brent