The silence is deafening!!!

Das Boot,
I don't care if you're a marxist. To my mind if you vote Republican, agree with the Republican mindset, and see everything as an attack against Republicans, you're a Republican.
There's no shame in admitting it.

Explain to me how a small group of American soldiers, from all walks of life, that mistreated a bunch of prisoners reflects on the Republican party?
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Oh...I dunno. Maybe because it happened during a Republican war? Maybe because you're pointing at it as proof of a 'liberal media'? I dunno. Why don't you tell me? You're the one complaining about it....

And how is a desire truthful coverage and outward support for our troops, in your mind, a desire for "propaganda dissemination"?
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Because you fail to acknowledge the idea that maybe they're already doing that and it's just not 'rah rah' enough to make you happy?
If you're looking for news that makes you feel good instead of news that let's you know what's happening (good bad & otherwise), you don't need the media; you need a soothsayer.
You think our media is bad? Check out AlJazeera and then BBC.
I think our mainstream media is pretty well in tune with the American public. You don't like the tone? Watch FOX. They admit they're biased.

[edit] Better yet, why don't you do what I do: Look everywhere and use the internet to discover your own facts? [/edit]
 
Face it, AbuGhraib just plain sells air time better.
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Then I guess greed really is good. If they’re just running a business, and Abu Ghraib photos sell better than news stories showing our enemies as the monsters they are—a position which with I disagree—then I guess the bottom-line is more important than helping our side win the war. I also guess it’s nice to make money in a business that relies for protection on the very people whose reputation and war efforts that business is besmirching.

The media exists to have an impact on events. They have an impact on this war. One would think they would also have responsibilities greater than simply making money. At least, that’s what the media usually claims in its opinion columns and lobbying efforts in Washington, DC, regarding freedom of speech and fairness, not freedom to make a buck.
 
Why are you, ever so slightly, trying to equate the treatment at Abhu Ghraib with what the terrorists do?
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Did I? Where? :confused:

Or at least insinuating that AG was a terrible, terrible event.
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More 'fair and balanced' to compare it to a frat hazing? :rolleyes:
It happened. It materially hampered our war effort. That at least makes it worth discussing.
 
Maybe because it happened during a Republican war?
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Thank you again for revealing the liberal mindset!!
Keep it up pal, you're doing better than I could've in exposing you for what you are.
Jeez, I thought this was a war to protect ALL Americans, not just Republicans.
I suppose you don't believe Bush actually won the election either!!!:rolleyes:
I've gotta go, but it's been fun!
By the way, are you gonna keep your hair green, or try something more you.
Let me suggest PINK!!!:D
 
Sodomy?

I have not seen verified reports of sodomy by any American soldiers. They may exist, I don't know. Short of that, the hazings that go on across America are similar in nature in that they intend to demean and humiliate those being hazed. I will admit that I have not followed the AG story closely. I still maintain however that there is ABSOLUTELY no comparison between AG or Guantanamo and the horrifying torture and murder of those two Marines.
My son has just enlisted in the U.S. Navy. If he were to ever be captured by the enemy, I would be greatly relieved if I believed he would get the kind of treatment given to prisoners at AG or Guantanamo instead of being tortured and murdered.

May God bless and protect our troops and keep any more from suffering the same fate as those brave Marines. That is no way for a soldier to die.
 
Both Sides

The major media in the US does cover American actions more than actions of our enemies. Part of that stems from the cold fact that that type of news is more marketable. I would hope that part of it also stems from some sensitivity to the impact on the families of Americans who are brutalized. And part of it undoubtedly stems from the fact that American media can influence American actions more than those of our enemies.

Nevertheless, the American media could devote more attention to investigating and reporting on why our enemies act as they do. That is the type of "in-depth, investigative reporting" and "unbiased presentation of all sides of a story" that the American media supposedly takes great pride in providing, but is woefully lacking in the current environment.

Just for the moment, let's give the American media a pass on their coverage based on the above reasons. What is the excuse for the major media in the rest of the world, and particularly in majority-Muslim countries? Shouldn't the same factors that tilt the American media apply to the media in the rest of the world? Why aren't Arab journalists constantly harping on atrocities against Americans to try to influence their countrymen? Why don't journalists in non-aligned countries present both stories with equal fervor?

There does appear to be an anti-American bias, for whatever reasons, in the major media throughout the world.
 
Nevertheless, the American media could devote more attention to investigating and reporting on why our enemies act as they do. That is the type of "in-depth, investigative reporting" and "unbiased presentation of all sides of a story" that the American media supposedly takes great pride in providing, but is woefully lacking in the current environment.
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+1 to that.
Just for the moment, let's give the American media a pass on their coverage based on the above reasons. What is the excuse for the major media in the rest of the world, and particularly in majority-Muslim countries? Shouldn't the same factors that tilt the American media apply to the media in the rest of the world? Why aren't Arab journalists constantly harping on atrocities against Americans to try to influence their countrymen? Why don't journalists in non-aligned countries present both stories with equal fervor?
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For one thing, they don't have a tradition of a Bill of Rights as we do. Imperfectly as we apply that Bill, at least we have one and at least we apply it.

For another thing, the rest of the world really does have a different way of looking at things than we do. I've been to Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Ireland, Scotland, England, France, Belgum, Germany, Austria, Italy, and Czechoslavkia (yes, prior to the Czech Republic). I went to college with people from Iran (right before the Shah's fall) and Pakistan. I've worked with people from Taiwan and the PRC. I've worked closely with people from India. (BTW, all the Hindus I've met absolutely despised Mohandas Ghandi. It was from them that I first learned (and later confirmed through other sources) that Ghandi suggested the German Jews should have all committed suicide, and that he used to drink his own urine.) They all had different majority perspectives from each other, and they were all very different from the US.
There does appear to be an anti-American bias, for whatever reasons, in the major media throughout the world.
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I imagine there's at least one reason for every country that hates us. And it's not uncommon for folks to hate the biggest guy on the block, regardless of his actions. And when I see some of today's movies and TV shows, I can't say I blame them entirely. That's the kind of image a lot of those people see and little or nothing else.

However, not every country hates us. The Pols love Reagan and, by extension, the US. Budapest, Hungary has a statue of Washington in its capital, and last I heard they planned to erect one of Reagan near it. The Czechs, when I was there, put American flags on the graves of WWII US soldiers buried there.
 
Das
Sorry about getting back to ya late and all. Errands ya know.

Heroic you ask?

To THEM Das, to them. Not us. We invaded. We're infidels. Great Satan and all man. Gotta know your enemy. Know what will make the folks back home demoralized and wanting to turn tail and run. (What they seem to forget is that the troops over there know how to GET SOME and probably will, just because of that little atrocity... and then we have another Haditha incident??? Hope not)

If the mainstream actually told the truth about those young Marines, that might border on making some Americans begin to, you know, HATE, an entire race/religion/ethnic group... and rally the masses to (heaven forbid) support the side that GWB would like to have supported.

On the other hand, said publicity might foster additional pressure on the White House to bring the boys back home sooner with the understanding that NO ONE'S freedom, or Global Chess Game positioning is worth the life of one American soldier (see above).

I can only hope that the payback (if any) is... I don't know. Swift and merciless to those involved.
 
The L.A. Times covered the story for one day, then another. The first day it was on the front page with modest headlines. The second it was buried way back. The stories indicated that the bodies of the two soldiers were described by Iraqi authorities as having been "allegedly showing signs of mutilation and possible torture prior to death." (my recollection). Pretty milk toast if you ask me. Where's Amnesty International on this matter? Haven't heard a peep. Have you guys?
 
Das Boot,
I know this comes as a shock to you, but America is not all red people living in red states and blue people living in blue states. I know you'd like to dismiss me as just another 'blue person in a blue state', but oh so sorry it's just not true.
Most of us are a lot less partisan than you and BTW we're pretty angry about what your party has done these last six years. We're not really happy with the Dems either, but don't think we're enamored with your graft, corruption, and lies.
This may come as another shock to you, but the Republican party has been in control of the Federal government for the last 6 years. The Dems had no say in Iraq. So when it's called a Republican war, it's kind of hard to dismiss that. Just sayin'. We're also not happy with the Dems for refusing to stand up when they were supposed to.
BTW, my hair's not green and my clothes aren't pink. Love the way you demolished that strawman tho'. Really knocked the hay right out of it. :rolleyes:
Has somebody really been 'outed' here? Yup. Das Boot is a dyed-in-the-wool Republican and really isn't fooling us with his "I don't care about parties" nonsense. Welcome to the party Mr. Right winger. :)
 
gc70,
I'll tell you what I really find obnoxious about the American media: Their fascination with fluff. So hard to find important information when they're all feeding us garbage about 'Brangelina' and the latest gossip on the Rugby trial :rolleyes:
That's why I research my own news.
 
Good for you, GoSlash27! The media has made a radical transition from providing information to infotainment in the past 40 years. Thank goodness for the free exchange of ideas on the internet.
 
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