The S&W SD9VE

There is nothing wrong with the M&P. I would not buy a new one because S&W lies about it being DAO. I don't mind company propaganda such as Glock perfection or whatever but I can not tolerate flat out lies. Also Springfield Armory since 1798 BS is another example since SA INC was not in existence until the 1970s.
 
@ marine6680. Yup, I did the full spring kit on my 40 and did it wrong as well. Not until I removed the kit and put the old springs back in did I realize where I messed up. By that time I said "F" it and just purchased the lone Apex trigger to try that out next. That was a good call.
 
The SD9ve is one of the best values on the market. A high cap 9mm manufactured by a reputable American company for an affordable price. The two that I've owned have been 100% reliable with any ammunition they were fed. My nephew now has one of mine and shoots it regularly. Does it have a competition trigger? No. But I don't think the trigger is near as bad as it's reputation. But this evaluation is coming from an old revolver shooter who also loves the Kahr trigger system.
 
I know some guys who will not own a rifle with a trigger over two lbs. Most of their shooting is done on a bench and many of their rifles have triggers that are so light it is amazing. Some of them feel like they are far less than one pound. Because they only practice on the bench they have all sorts of problems hunting. They seldom hit what they shoot at in the field where benches don't exist. They just can not control such light triggers in the field. They get nervous and blow the shot in the ground when they see the big buck. These same guys do the same things with their self defense handguns. They practice trying to shoot tiny groups on the bench and they modify their triggers where they are like bullseye pistols. I would bet the farm if any of them ever have to pull their pistol in self defense under stress bad things will happen.
 
^I have a single shot 308 I bought just because I didn't have a 308, the PO told me it had a light trigger but the gun was too heavy for him to hunt with. I took it to the range, the first time I touch the trigger it went boom. Didn't take me long to learn you didn't touch it until you were on target. Useless....I won't even sell it because it's way too light, I don't know what a 6 ounce trigger feels like, but this one doesn't seem to need near that.

As for my SD pistols I never shoot anything but plates so I have no idea what groups are, I just hear a wonderful clank when I shoot.
 
Yeah the lightest I would ever go for a hunting trigger is 3 1/2 lbs but I'm more comfortable with 4 1/2. I put more emphasis on the smooth and clean pull of a trigger than pull weight. I don't want to worry if a twitch in my trigger finger will fire the weapon. I just didn't like the "sponginess" of the original SD trigger. The consensus seems to be that the more old school shooters are fine with the stock trigger.
 
The stock trigger seems sort of weak to me. Almost like it could break. I have never heard of this happening but I will replace it with an aftermarket someday
 
I have 4 of them and I like the stock trigger on all 4. No changes for me.

I can learn almost any trigger.
 
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