The Revolver as an Offensive Tool

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My, My, My! I sure have stirred things up.

I sure am glad we are expanding our horizons.

How marvelous there is some discussion of the merits of top-break revolvers.

S&Ws top-breaks are inferior to a Webley.

Top-staps typically blow at the front near the forcing cone, not where the barrel latch on a Webley secures the barrel to frame. Even Webley top-staps typically blow in front not the back.

Rear locking lugs not strong enough for high-pressure cartridges? Any one ever heard of a Remington 788? Read what Frank de Haas says about them in Bolt Action Rifles.

Your damn right a modern Webley type revolver could be a viable competitor to hand ejector types for self-defense use. With a Mk VI, I can shoot 6" groups at 25yds off-hand using it's 14lb DA with stock sights and ammunition loaded with a bullet that weighs 80grs less and flies 400fps faster than what it was designed to shoot. I haven't even begun to approach the accuracy capability of this revolver. I am not so sure it could not be made strong enough for .454 using todays materials and engineering, although I don't know why this would be desirable. See my posts in other threads for more info on what can be done with a Webley Mk VI.

CarbineCaleb,

Altercation is a form of communication. It is not my only form. Altercation often rapidly provides information by stimulating the participates to maximum cerebral performance. Occasional altercation is worth the risk of devolution to trivial insult. There is method to my madness. I have a thick skin and I hope most of the TFL does too. If they don't, they better be careful carrying their firearms. BTW I used to be an epee fencer. Riposte!

Handy,

Stop acting like a one man lynch mob! Your intolerance of speech you dislike is despicable. Please note, as others have notified me, I am not alone in this belief. Your reputation is apparently well known. Lighten up!


"In a world devoid of semiautomatics, a properly set-up Webley is the ultimate full-size self-defense handgun".
 
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Now, to answer the question, "Does the revolver still have a place in the arsenal as an offensive tool?" Yes. This is shown by the use of the S&W 686 in wet conditions by the US Navy. In wartime, guerilla tactics sometime require handguns, not rifles. A given rifle is unarguably more effective at most ranges than a given handgun. It is, however, awfully difficult to pass unnoticed through an enemy occupied populace with a rifle.
 
Stop acting like a one man lynch mob! Your intolerance of speech you dislike is despicable. Please note, as others have notified me, I am not alone in this belief. Your reputation is apparently well known. Lighten up!
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Gracious, what are you refering to in my two posts? The defense of a break top, or something else?

Which "others"? Bullrock, who has complained multiple times that he can't use the ignore feature on you, as well? I note that you've been asked to "lighten up" a few times in your short stint. How's the glass house?


Please let me know which words were "dispicable", or return my PM.
 
Handy hit what I was getting at (with referense of the Mk. 23). The revolver as a tool that you would have confidence in while kicking in doors is what I was meaning.

As for "offensive-is-killing" comment mentioned several times, that's what I do for a living now. I traded my law books in for an M16 and the title Marine. And yes, I know about SOP and ROE, but the jist of my job now is to bring the fight to the enemy.

-L7
 
The revolver as a tool that you would have confidence in while kicking in doors is what I was meaning.
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In that instance, considering that you would have buddies along, I would like at least one shotgun and a large caliber, high capacity auto along for the ride in addition to the standard carbines. The big advantage of the .357 magnum revolver would be it's penetration, undisputed stopping power, and absolute reliability after being banged around. It's only limitation is capacity. That can be offset by having two, or by your buddy with the shotgun.

For crawling down holes, I would want a more capacity, because of the lack of buddies at my side.

Just my two pesos.
 
The revolver as a tool that you would have confidence in while kicking in doors is what I was meaning
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Would you have confidence with a revolver as a tool if someone else was kicking your doors in?
 
Some here are talking as if the revolver is an outdated relic. Handguns are inferior to rifle in alot of areas for sure but, the handgun has it's place.
It's my belief that people who favour 'high-cap mags' don't understand good shooting and by good shooting I mean hitting what your shooting at. Yea, I hear ya telling me 'I'm a good shot and I have more rounds to be a good shot with' but, I hardly ever hear or see people train and practice good shooting with handguns. It's a skill that needs to be sharpen often or your skill with handguns will dull. Instead of slingin' lead because you have extra bullets in the mag, it's my opinion folks should place their shots more carefully.
Revolver technology hasn't changed in many years because it hasn't needed to. It's a wonderfully simple design. The Model1911 .45 is a design that is almost 100 years old and is still after all the ''improvements'' with the semi-autos, the wonder nines, the 10mm's, the super .40's it's a much sought after handgun for defence and offense. So is the revolver.
Remember the old saying, ''six for sure''. If you hadn't figured it out yet I am a wheel gun man. ;)
 
It's my belief that people who favour 'high-cap mags' don't understand good shooting and by good shooting I mean hitting what your shooting at.
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:rolleyes: It is my belief that you are twisting the question around. No amount of shooting excellence is going to make a 6 round revolver a good choice for going after 7 bad guys.

A revolver is an excellent tool for alot of uses. High capacity pistols also have their uses, and this thread is highlights one of them.

A weapon of limited capacity is just fine for the unlikely defense scenerio. But to put artificial capacity constraints on yourself, then KNOWINGLY charge into the breech is a death wish.
 
No amount of shooting excellence is going to make a 6 round revolver a good choice for going after 7 bad guys.
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Of course, given seven bad guys who know what they're doing and are willing to take casualties, it isn't going to make a lot of difference whether you have six round revolver or an eight round autoloader (or even eighteen round autoloader for that matter). ;)

It's kind tough to keep it realistic.
 
If I were hypothetically going on the offense against terrositic badguys and was resorted to only using a handgun platform then I would take 2 possibly even 3 revolvers with me and speedloaders. The take aim and have fun. :)
 
Oh, I think revolvers can, and are, used "offensively" by criminals every day, throughout America! Of course they are also used defensively, by the law abiding. As an add on: I think a couple of you seem overly touchy when it comes to Webleys posts in this thread. Just one man's opinion.
 
It is my belief that you are twisting the question around. No amount of shooting excellence is going to make a 6 round revolver a good choice for going after 7 bad guys.
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I'm not twisting the question at all. You miss the point but, I'll let you in alittle secret, shooting excellence is what it's all about.
People who lust over the high capacity magazines are usually not good shots. Of course this is my opinion and I don't want to have to explain what is a good shot is, I'll leave that to you and the readers to think on.
Thanks for reacting to my post. You've been very handy.
 
People who lust over the high capacity magazines are usually not good shots.
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I think a high capacity magazine has nothing to do with how good someone shoots. I think some lust over sixguns that they can't hit barns with, but I wouldn't insult all revolver shooters by making silly generalizations.
 
Just what I meant about wondering where Tamara has been to add a little sanity to this place. What's been going on around here lately? These boards are supposed to be for fun, not aggravation.

Mike
 
Of course, given seven bad guys who know what they're doing and are willing to take casualties, it isn't going to make a lot of difference whether you have six round revolver or an eight round autoloader (or even eighteen round autoloader for that matter.)
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Only if you assume they're all lined up in a row so that each of them has a line of sight to you. Unless it's a "high noon" scenario, it's far more likely that even if you have to engage a group, you're going to be able to deal with only a subset of the group at a time rather than the entire "membership" all at once. Even if they're pros, it's going to be hard for ALL of them to engage you simultaneously unless the situation is ideal for them. To see what I'm saying, try to imagine a situation anywhere in your house where you might encounter a group of seven people such that they would ALL have a shot at you at once without any of them having to move.

In a reasonably realistic situation where you can move around a bit and at least a minimum of concealment and cover is available, you should be able to deal with them a few at a time. BUT, although you wouldn't have to face them all down at once, it's quite likely that time spent reloading would be MUCH better spent shooting or moving or both.

While there aren't a lot of defensive situations where hi-caps are critical, it's not hard to picture realistic offensive situations where not having to reload as often might make the difference between living or dying.
 
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Yes I think the Revolver is a very good offensive tool.

Now I grew up when the earth was flat, LEOs carried Revolvers, and some of the Folks I knew that went to Vietnam did in fact use the Revolver .

I asked CRSam about his statement " Revolvers for defense, Semi's for Offense"

Steve- a tool is a tool. Be it hands, a rock, pointy stick,or firearm- depends if the BG or critter is coming at you - or if you need to take out the BG or Critter to get past him to safety. I just have my druthers is all. The real question can one use whatever he must effectively to stop an immediate threat? Does he have training, mindset, and confidence in himself and whatever he has to use?

CRSam being himself - bringing matters to simple, well I respect his take on the matter.

You do what you gotta do to survive - Revolver, Semi, pointy stick,hands, rocks...
 
No amount of shooting excellence is going to make a 6 round revolver a good choice for going after 7 bad guys.
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I have to disagree with that. I honestly feel if circumstances dictated that I "go after" 7 bad guys, ammunition capacity would have nothing to do with it. Going on the offensive would mean that I would set the ground rules and pick the location/time.

OTOH, if 7 bad guys "came after" me. I believe it would be the other way around...
'course realisticly 7 would be 4 too many, so 6 shots would be plenty. I'm pretty sure I could hold my own against 2 possibly 3,,and with a bit of luck,, maybe 4,,armed bad guys. 7? No way. Even Jerry Michulek(sp?),,with his enormous skills, would have trouble with 7.

Leseee,,,7..maybe Jelly Bryce, Bill Jordan, "Doc" Holliday, Porter Rockwell,,,possibly John Wesley Hardin, Bill Hickcok, Annie Oakley, Frank Butler.
That's a pretty short and exclusive list.
 
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