The perfect CCW Auto?

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David Scott

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Just for someting to do while reading gun mags in the john, I designed my perfect CCW auto. Here's the specs, comment as you will.

Single stack for thin profile. ABout 7+1 capacity to keep the grip short for concealment.

Available in 9mm, .40 or my fave, .357SIG. I left out .45s as they make the gun thicker.

Polymer frame for light weight, max 23 ounces. Molded in checkering all the way round the grip. All metal parts stainless.

Double action with frame-mounted safety like H&K or Taurus -- allows cocked and locked carry or traditional DA/SA with decocker. DA trigger pull of 9 lbs, SA 3 lbs.

4" barrel, octagonal rifling.

Combination tritium/fiber optic sights, so you always have big glowing dots to aim with.

Ambidextrous mag release like a Walther P99. Mags drop free.

No light/accessory rail -- not practical on an IWB gun.

No built-in kiddie locks.

In trained hands, should be capable of dumping an entire mag into 2 inches at 12 yards, rapid fire.

Cost under $500. Lifetime warranty.
 
You basically described a Kahr P9/P40, except for the addition of a manual safety. Personally, in a gun that small I prefer that it NOT have a safety as it would bulk up the gun, plus be redundant on a gun that's going to be kept in deep concealment. Besides, being DAO supposedly also makes a safety unnecessary.
 
A 1911 with thin grips is thinner than the "concealment" 9 mm and .40 S&W's out there.
I see no real advantage to the polygonal rifling, but it doesn't hurt.
Aluminum alloy is fine with me, and if there are any exposed metal surfaces, I'd prefer them "blued" or matte metal. Shiny doesn't work for me with a concealment piece.
Anything less than 35 oz is fine.
Every duty pistol should do 4" @25 yards.
Scalloping or checkering of front and backstraps prefered.
DAO or a gun with an external safety. Kiddie lock irrelevant. When carried, it will not be locked.
When I practice lefthanded, the button release for magazines seems to work fine with my index finger.
So to me, the Kimber Pro CDP or any 1911 Commander fitted to its general spec's fits. All it needs are after market smooth thin grips and magazines.
On sights, I like the tritium sights more for potential liability reasons. I think the "outline" style sights on Glocks area actually better for fast shooting.
 
Perfect to me right now is my Kimber Pro Carry SLE.
Accurate.
Reliable.
Stainless steel construction for corrosion resistance and unlimited usage. ( I shoot my CCW's as much as possible)
Effective caliber
Series I type. No added safety parts.
Comfortable and Comforting at the same time.

This of course if for a CC auto that I can carry in 90 percent of the situations. Sometimes I need to go much smaller. When I walk my dog at 1 a.m. upon returning from work, I just can't drop a 1911 or similar size weapon in my pocket, nor do I have time to strap on a proper belt and holster.

So until they come out with a super caliber mouse sized gun I'll have to rely on several weapons.

Good Shooting
RED
 
The all stainless Kahr MK9 and MK40 weigh in at around 24 oz. If you're willing to go 23, one more ounce won't be a big deal. Then you don't have to get a plastic gun.
 
Sure, but I'll be very general...

It has to use a simple and reliable action. A Browning-style tilting barrel or a rotary lock would work well. I'd take a striker over a hammer, but either could work. Tolerances should not be too tight.

It would have ergonomics suitable for rapid aimed shooting. Low bore axis to minimize recoil, thin across the grips, undercut trigger guard, etc. The grip should be placed at an approx. 110 degree angle from the barrel. Barrel should not be less than 4", 5" is better.

The trigger would be consistent from shot to shot, and would have a shallow link and an absolute minimum of overall movement, 0.25" at most. The trigger release weight would not be over five pounds. The trigger itself would be smooth, free of serrations and safety tabs, and of medium width. I don't really care if the trigger is a DAO, pseudo-DAO safe-action, or SA with safety, as long as it meets the above specs.

Dovetail sights, tritium front from the factory. 0.125" front sight, a bit of space on the rear.

The gun would be melted at the factory. Not a single sharp edge would be allowed.

Material is in itself unimportant, but I'd like to get the weight down to between 25-30oz. A polymer frame would help to absorb recoil, so we'll spec polymer. The upper is blackened stainless.

I've been on a 10mm kick lately, so the gun will be a 10mm to start. Single-stack, or maybe a tapered magazine (like the Wilson KZ45, but better executed,) as thin as possible. If I can stuff 10 rounds into a single-stack magazine without making the grip unwieldy, so much the better. Mags will be steel and of VERY high quality. Three shipped with each gun.

Accuracy would be consistent with the above specs. Any gun that won't shoot 3" at 25 yards from a rest will be reworked or scrapped.

- Chris
 
David, you forgot the following characteristics...

extremely light weight
little or no recoil
self-lubing
self-cleaning
1" accurate to 50 yards unbenched
with round loaded optimally to produce desired (extremely lethal) terminal ballistics from a 4" barrel
politically correct/accepted by all

I don't know what you mean about a .45 acp making guns too fat. With thin grips, my 1911s are about the same width as my Colt Pony in .380.
 
These kinds of polls have never made any sense to me. Since every situation is unique, the "perfect" CCW gun doesn't exist, but rather a whole bunch of them exist, one for each person!
 
A Baby Browning .25 is easiest to carry... untill shots fired. Then you wish you had found a way to conceal a Browning M-2.

mike

:D
 
mmmmmm the perfect carry gun...
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the only thing missing are self reloading bullets!
 
johnwill, you mean that firearms are just tools! Next you'll be telling me that there is no magic sword when we all know that it's out there you just have to keep buying guns.:D
 
Another vote for the Sig P239. I like the fact that's is da/sa rather tyhan dao. and I also like the decocker. I don't want any kind of manual safety on a carry piece. I wouldn't trade my P239 for any CCW piece made today.
 
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