The panic has hit the cheap 54r surplus too!

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deerslayer303

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I was in a gun shop earlier with SWMBO, I walked in a when I saw the price (259.00) on a single tin of 440 rounds of surplus 54r ammo I busted out laughing. And I saw a few people pick them up and go to the counter with it. SMH. And 299 for a war production round reciever Izzy 91/30. I didn't even flip the tag over on the 24/47 sitting next to it as I REALLY DIDN"T WANT TO FURTHER MY INSULT!
 
I saw 2 bricks of Remington Thunderbolt 22LR sell for $145.00 on Gunbroker.
It was an A+1 seller.
The "NR"s are going nuts buying up ammo and magazines.
 
I figured that would happen with the 7.62X54R, there is how many millions of Mosin Nagant rifles out there?

I did most of my hoarding before all this panic, I don't have a bunch of 7.62X54R but enough.
 
yeah stuff like that is getting to be common place. sportsmans guide has 17 cents per round x54 but naturally it's all out of stock.
 
Ahhh the price gouging...

Deerslayer PM me if you're looking and I'll tell you where...

Bulgarian and Romanian light ball, $87.87...up a bit, but still reasonable if you shoot it (I don't, I handload..)

People gotta stop buying from these clowns. Enough, already...

No one is even TALKING about doing anything with ammunition...it's the fools among us doing the panic buying that are bringing all this on.
 
Can't get ammo shipped to mass from online sources. Picked up a spam can (440 rounds) of 7.62X54 last week at the LGS for $110. Plan on getting a few more there.
 
You're paying 30% more in MA to keep you safe from FedEx I guess.. :D They're trying to push that thru here too..
 
Same thing here in California. We have a bill being proposed that will require a DOJ $50.00 extortion fee for an "ammo buying permit". Each time you buy ammo will require a background check, just like a gun purchase. It will ban Internet ammo sales. If you buy more than a pre-determined amount of ammunition at once, your local law enforcement is notified.

NY, NJ, CT, MA and CA are out of control, our laws are going to get worse in those states, regardless of what happens on a national level.
 
Same thing here in California. We have a bill being proposed that will require a DOJ $50.00 extortion fee for an "ammo buying permit". Each time you buy ammo will require a background check, just like a gun purchase. It will ban Internet ammo sales. If you buy more than a pre-determined amount of ammunition at once, your local law enforcement is notified.
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Depending on what the "pre-determined amount" is, the police are going to get very tired of the notifications very quickly. It's not as if they can actually investigate anything based on the reports, since the mere fact that you bought ammo doesn't give them a basis for a search warrant. At most, the police could call the buyer or stop by to ask if he has any nefarious plans for the ammo, but the buyer doesn't have to take their call or answer the door.
 
Depending on what the "pre-determined amount" is, the police are going to get very tired of the notifications very quickly. It's not as if they can actually investigate anything based on the reports, since the mere fact that you bought ammo doesn't give them a basis for a search warrant.
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That all depends upon the Judge asked to give the warrant, does it not?

IIRC, Judges can still be "shopped" - it's been done before.
 
There's "judge shopping", and then there's "trying to find a judge who will sign off on a warrant that's guaranteed to get thrown out of court later, along with anything we find out as a result of the warrant".

No judge is going to issue a search warrant based solely on a report of the legal purchase of ammunition, no matter the quantity. There's no probable cause for a search - in fact, there hasn't even been a crime committed.
 
I bought my Black Horse BHAK54 when they first came out so I got it pretty cheap , ammo was 79 dollars a tin ... before that I was paying 50 bucks for 440 rounds .
It was a fun summer with that gun ... its all over now , I still have a good amount of ammo for that gun .
I guess its just another moment in time for that caliber . 5.45x39 was good also round ... thats done .
 
Depending on what the "pre-determined amount" is, the police are going to get very tired of the notifications very quickly. It's not as if they can actually investigate anything based on the reports, since the mere fact that you bought ammo doesn't give them a basis for a search warrant. At most, the police could call the buyer or stop by to ask if he has any nefarious plans for the ammo, but the buyer doesn't have to take their call or answer the door.
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you say this and yet they do it routinely in Australia. not long ago a member here posted that he filled out all their mandatory paperwork and forms and licenses and so forth and bought a 3006 pump action rifle and 250 rounds of ammo, a few days later 2 men arrived at his house with a search warrant and proceeded to search his place for anything 'suspicious'. naturally all he had was a single pump action rifle and a few boxes of ammo so they let him off with a friendly warning to watch how much ammo he buys as it sets off red flags and they are required to investigate.

if those laws pass, law enforcement will be required to investigate and I'm sure search warrants will be made mandatory for such a deal so you have no choice but to submit to being searched. regardless of how sick of it the cops may get, they will still be required to investigate and they will do it whether they like it or not.
 
you say this and yet they do it routinely in Australia.

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if those laws pass, law enforcement will be required to investigate and I'm sure search warrants will be made mandatory for such a deal so you have no choice but to submit to being searched. regardless of how sick of it the cops may get, they will still be required to investigate and they will do it whether they like it or not.
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Australia's entire legal system differs from ours, including the requirements for a search warrant, so I'm not even going to address the rest of your second-hand anecdote.

But here in the U.S., getting a judge to sign off on a search warrant when no one is even claiming that a crime has taken place isn't going to happen without a major revision of our laws. Can laws be changed? Sure, but until it happens, I'm not going to play the "what if" game.
 
Depending on what the "pre-determined amount" is, the police are going to get very tired of the notifications very quickly.
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That depends upon the police force in question, as well ..... Bloomberg's straw puchase stings come to mind...... I doubt the NYPD would have any problem investigating "large" ammo purchases on a daily basis ..... they are willing to go out of state to try to get someone to commit a crime so they can arrest them ....I think they'd have no problem going anywhere in NYC to "question" someone buying "hundreds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111!!" of rounds of ammo.
 
Ammo.....?

Funny how supply and demand works.....

Desperate people do desperate things IMHO

Stay cool "This too shall pass"

I hope anyway
 
I think they'd have no problem going anywhere in NYC to "question" someone buying "hundreds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111!!" of rounds of ammo.
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Well, picking up the phone or paying a visit to "question" someone is one thing, and like I said earlier, the purchaser isn't obligated to answer the phone or the door.

But if an ammo purchase is otherwise legal, the simple fact that someone bought more than 'X' rounds isn't enough by itself to get a search warrant. A search warrant requires probable cause that a crime has been committed, and that evidence related to the crime is likely to be found in the area to be searched. The first question out of the judge's mouth is going to be "what's the crime"? Even if the judge did sign off on the warrant, any resulting conviction would eventually be tossed out on appeal - there's simply no precedent in our legal system for using a lawful purchase as the sole justification for a search warrant.
 
Even if the judge did sign off on the warrant, any resulting conviction would eventually be tossed out on appeal -
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That would be of little comfort to the individual who's life was wrecked in the meantime ..... and was lucky enough to not have been found to have violated some other law along the way, considering that the huge volume of laws out there.

- there's simply no precedent in our legal system for using a lawful purchase as the sole justification for a search warrant.
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There's a first time for everything.
 
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