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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/...elivers-one-hell-of-a-commentary-on-rumsfeld/

For anybody that may have missed it, here's the speech that Keith is talking about:
http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/iraq_conflict/article/0,1406,KNS_9217_4952513,00.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/30/news/rumsfeld.php

I'm with Olberman on this. This administration has shown themselves to be politically opportunistic at worst or dangerously incompetent at best in both the "war on terror" and in Iraq.
They have zero standing to malign their critics in light of their own track record.
 
Olberman is a raving nut case with a termianl case of BDS and only three regular watchers and Rummy was commenting on those that are in denial about those that want to kill you me and your kids and will unless stopped. He did not comment by name on anybody but did generally mention the US media that is on the side of those that want to kill us for political gain. They are willing to destroy this country in order to save their power thinking that the Islamic fascists will kill them last as a courtesy. It is 1938 all over again.
 
Olberman is a raving nut case with a termianl case of BDS and only three regular watchers
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Even if this was true (which it's not) it's immaterial.


Rummy was commenting on those that are in denial...
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Really? I didn't see that anywhere in his speech. They asked his press secretary exactly who it was directed at and *he* said "certain groups and organizations". He declined to name any.

... those that want to kill you me and your kids and will unless stopped...
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HAHAHAH...good one. Maybe you just don't get the concept of "terrorism". The object isn't to kill your opponent, it's to scare your opponent. Hence why it's called "terror"ism instead of, say, "murder"ism. Looks like they were successful in your case, 'cuz they've obviously got you punked. Well...them and your elected representatives.

US media that is on the side of those that want to kill us for political gain.
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Wow...so you're telling me that the media is actually in league with the terrorists? :rolleyes:

They are willing to destroy this country in order to save their power thinking that the Islamic fascists will kill them last as a courtesy
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Darn! You figured out the secret plan. If the Dems take control they're going to round you all up, put you in concentration camps, invite the terrorists over and let them behead all of you with rusty spoons. :eek:
 
GoSlash27 , You are entitled to your opinion as is Oberman, Every Fighting Man of this Country, Fought and died just so you can voice your opinion on whatever subject you choose to opine on, but don't think for one minute that every one will agree with your assesment of the situation, or be swayed by some self rightious person on the news or some talk show that is so full of himself that he honestly thinks he has the answer to every problem, and assume that his listeners don't have a brain in their head and can only accept the trash he is putting out as the gospel.

There is no doubt that Bush and the administration have made some mistakes, and have not done everything just the way the pundits think it should have been done, but I tell you this, and I tell you true, if you think this is bad, just for an instant think what it would have been like under the likes of GORE, or KERRY, gore is an absolute nut and Kerry is a Tratior and a person that cain't make a decision and stick to it.

I honestly feel sorry for all who think they cansit back and Quarterback this war as they would the game, it AIN'T THE SAME THING.

You stated that you were with oberman on this one,if so that is your opinion, but just to set the record straight here, Bush is te man in charge and like it or not he will remain so until the next DUMB ASS TAKES CHARGE, no matter who it is, it will be the same thing all over again, there has never in my lifetime been a President in Office that was not trashed and belittled while in office, and there were some that after they were out of office, all of a suden they were great men, with the exception of CARTER.

Just my Humble opinion! AND THIS OBERMAN IS WRONG BUT HE IS A DEMOCRAT SO WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT.
 
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The problem with the media AND the Democrats is they hate Bush so much they ARE willing to hurt the country to see him gone. Not as much an issue of people who just think different, or have different ideas on how to accomplish the same goals, but an issue of people who's ideas, ignorance, and pompus selfish ideals put us all in danger. They have no concept of those who REALLY do want to kill us, convert us ('or else') to advance so mis-guided religious or ethnic ideals, and no concept of history other then to somehow find glory in appeasement and surrender (while ignoring the much worse results of these actions).
 
KellyJ,
Forgive me, but I'm not understanding what point you're getting at in your last post. Could you please clarify?

Shield20,
I'd generally agree with that assessment, but I wouldn't hesitate to throw the Republicans in the same group.
 
Olberman should stick to sports---he's actually good and funny with that. His political style is just plain getting stale. Every night it starts off with a bashing of Bush followed by weird news stories. Doesn't matter what big event is going on in the world, it is bash Bush every night for everything. The biggest problem with his show is that he puts forward a point of view(always Liberal) on a topic, then proceeds to bring on a guest--not to debate or counter--but to basically say "yeah Keith, yo're right". Bunch of yes men.:(
 
Olberman's problem is O'Reilly. He can NOT come to grips that even Bill's re-run gets more ratings.


The republicans have their own problems. Like all politicians, too many are starting to say/do what they think they need to to stay in office, not do what is best for the country (i.e. Illegal immigration).


What I don't get is the Democratic "do NOTHING" strategy. Why do they find it easier, why do they think it better, to just sit back and yak about things?..jJust delays the inevitable - that SOMEONE, usually a republican, will have to clean up the mess which results. So now they use the war in Iraq to try to obtain some revelance again, which they haven't had since JFK helped win the space race but lost Cuba to the communists. Whether its the puppet for peace Carter letting the Soviets reach their high water mark in '79, or Clinton taking advantage of Reagan winnning the cold war by slashing the military and really mucking up our intelligence community - all the while giving nice talk but otherwise ignoring the growing terrorist threat and the threats in Syria, Iran, N Korea and Iraq after Bush Sr won the Gulf War (and raised taxes!). You think the libs would learn that not dealing with the REAL threats of those who want us all dead WHEN THEY ARISE protects us even less then spouting lies about the dangers of handguns and assault weapons. More to holding office then just setting policies you have no intention of carrying out, protecting the parts of the constitution you like while breaking, lieing about or ignoring those you don't, and passing problems on to the next administration whiel you search for your legacy.


And maybe the goal of "terror"-ism IS to just scare us all - but that "concept" don't help the thousands of victims who have been "scared" to death - literally....MURDERed in actuality. Maybe some here ARE too far away - not close enough to NYC to smell the thousands decomposing in the Sept heat?, not in London when their subways and busses were hit?, and not in Spain when their trains blew up? Or maybe you just never had to have what was left of your child identified by the DNA from their toothbrush. Take it as you will, but if you do not think THAT threat is real, if you just don't believe the 'terror'ist - THEIR stated goal - which is "to kill us all, man woman and child", you will never get it.
 
Olbermann's a pawn. He's just another talking head. He says what 'they' want him to say. It seems that the order has come down to make rummy a fall guy, watch the other's follow suit.

GE Owns Msnbc

GE Is one of the largest "defense" contractors producing everything from jet engines to nuclear reactors.

GE's interest is in continuing along the rather warsome path we're on.

GE Owns Olbermann, regardless of what he said on c-span. Still owned.
 
"And maybe the goal of "terror"-ism IS to just scare us all - but that "concept" don't help the thousands of victims who have been "scared" to death - literally....MURDERed in actuality. Maybe some here ARE too far away - not close enough to NYC to smell the thousands decomposing in the Sept heat?, not in London when their subways and busses were hit?, and not in Spain when their trains blew up? Or maybe you just never had to have what was left of your child identified by the DNA from their toothbrush. Take it as you will, but if you do not think THAT threat is real, if you just don't believe the 'terror'ist - THEIR stated goal - which is "to kill us all, man woman and child", you will never get it."

Nobody can argue that these things happened. The argument seems to be who "they" is.

badbob
 
Ahhh - a very good point indeed!

But there are some who deny there is any real threat at all. Assanine conspiracy theories aside, some think that all is "fear-mongering" to further control us. Hmmm...maybe to some extent it is - dems use fear effectively in the gun control issue; but it is rather obvious the threat from Moslim murderists/terrorist / Islamic extremists is real.
 
Olbermann's a pawn. He's just another talking head. He says what 'they' want him to say. It seems that the order has come down to make rummy a fall guy, watch the other's follow suit.

GE Owns Msnbc

GE Is one of the largest "defense" contractors producing everything from jet engines to nuclear reactors.

GE's interest is in continuing along the rather warsome path we're on.

GE Owns Olbermann, regardless of what he said on c-span. Still owned.
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While I do somewhat agree with what you are saying---he also appears daily on the Dan Patrick show on ESPN and says the same things there as well.
 
Nobody can argue that these things happened. The argument seems to be who "they" is.
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What about the 'why'? Of all the things ever discussed by knowledgeable peoples in a public forum, why have I heard so little about WHY things happened?
 
GoSlash27 , What part are you questioning?

Did you not say this?

I'm with Olberman on this. This administration has shown themselves to be politically opportunistic at worst or dangerously incompetent at best in both the "war on terror" and in Iraq.
They have zero standing to malign their critics in light of their own track record.
 
Esquire M Busterbury , With all due respect it had been tod over and over the reason these people want to kill us. It is primarally because they are subscribing to the radical side of the Islamic Faith, not the moderate side but to be fair if I remember correctly there was a statement that the Koran teachings do include a part in which it was stated by Mohomed, (or how ever it is spelled) that they should remove all non belivers from within their midst, and if neccessary KIll them so that he would be the only God, and the Islamic Faith would be the only Religion, but let me state this I am not Quoting , and even the Moderate Muslims of today do noy pratice this doctrine as it was said to be a very old doctrine of a very long time ago, no longer reconized as the true fath. I hope I got this all right!

Besides if you consider the simple fact tat te Islamic,muslim faith is Younger that Christianity there is bound to be resentment, and some hard feelings, I hold nothing against the Moderate form of Islomic Religion. The radical side now I got a real problem.
 
Esquire M Busterbury , With all due respect it had been told over and over the reason these people want to kill us. It is primarally because they are subscribing to the radical side of the Islamic Faith
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Told over and over...radical...islamics.

Told by who? The same people steering the ship? And their word is good?

I don't know why, but I'm a bit skeptical that there are people who wake up in the morning who's sole intent is to extinguish the lives of those who don't share their faith. I believe there are those who wish to expell foreign influence in their neck of the woods, but not over religious reasons. I keep having this sneaking suspicion that there is this large group of people spanning many borders who are like us, in that they only wish to have THEIR freedom, freedom from us, freedom to not live under our boot. (Terrorist sympathizer! Communist! Witch!) And that with enough propaganda we've been conditioned to believe that their lives are worth far less than ours, that they're all just fanatical religious quacks, intent upon slaughtering all those that are unlike themselves, for no other sake than our beliefs, nothing more.

What am I missing? Was I in the bathroom when they were passing out this kool-aid?
 
???:confused: ???

Wow. You are kidding right? You are skeptical that anyone ever commits murder, and on a grand scale, for religion?

WHAT is so hard to believe about that???

I think what you are missing are lessons from history, and of course the words of the radicals themselves as they pledge to wipe us of the map. No kool-aid required. Just a little reality. Not eveyone wants to 'just get along'. Wake up.
 
Kelly J,
I'm not "questioning" any of it, I'm trying to understand what point it is you're making so I can form a coherent response.

Yes, I did say that. And if I may, you said this:
There is no doubt that Bush and the administration have made some mistakes
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Which is my whole point. You cannot go around claiming that everything your detractors say is misguided or confused when you have established this track record because you have no credibility in the matter.
Mr Rumsfeld, in particular, has no standing to refer to *anybody* that disagrees with him as "confused".

You mentioned the right to disagree and voice your opinion in your response to mine, and I'm saying that this administration has systematically attacked this right and shut down all discourse because they are so secure in their belief that they know exactly what they're doing. Wouldn't you agree that this is not only bad policy, but corrosive to democracy?

I don't ever expect any sitting administration to do everything the way I'd like to see it done. I'd be extremely paranoid if all the pundits started fawning over the administration. *But* I believe that the disagreements are something worthy of rational discourse, not this "I'm right and I'm in charge, so shut up" nonsense they've been spewing.
 
And maybe the goal of "terror"-ism IS to just scare us all - but that "concept" don't help the thousands of victims who have been "scared" to death - literally....
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No, it is no help to them. Still no reason to conflate the marginal risk that poses to the rest of us into a degrading nationwide Chicken Little act.
If you are truly spending every day in abject fear that some guy named Abdul is going to kill you and your family, perhaps it's in your best interest to do a little research and know thy enemy. Maybe that would allow you to come up with a more productive response than "OMGOMG EVERYBODY PANIC!!"

As it is, I simply don't share your fear. Perhaps it's because there are about 10,000 things that are more likely to kill me and mine than these guys. Whatever the reason, my lack of fear allows me to look at the situation a little more dispassionately than you.

Let me see if I can cut through that fog of fear for a brief moment and give you a glimpse of the scope of the threat.
http://www.nracentral.com/accidental-deaths-and-firearms.php

Assuming that this number (a record low) is representative, the average American is more likely to die from a negligent discharge than at the hands of a terrorist. I'm assuming that you have a firearm, so you're at a greater risk than average.
You don't lose any sleep over the fact that there's a firearm in your house, do you?
 
You say "I believe that the disagreements are something worthy of rational discourse"

And also say "This administration has shown themselves to be politically opportunistic at worst or dangerously incompetent at best in both the "war on terror" and in Iraq.
They have zero standing to malign their critics in light of their own track record."

I submit that you are not inviting discourse, but simply preaching.

John
 
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