The NEF Protector is at it again
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oneounceload
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I prefer Browning, SKB, Remington, even a Mossberg....how about you?
You going to brag about how cheap you are and how much you didn't spend? And let me guess, you're going to tell me how you out shoot the Kreighoffs and Perazzis all the time, yet somehow, your name and pic isn't in the ATA Hall of Fame?
You going to brag about how cheap you are and how much you didn't spend? And let me guess, you're going to tell me how you out shoot the Kreighoffs and Perazzis all the time, yet somehow, your name and pic isn't in the ATA Hall of Fame?
oneounceload
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Oh, so now the uneducated welfare class wants to start smearing folks....really..........wouldn't own a Dodge anymore than I would a Chinese gun
As to the broken record, why don't you PROVE it with citing all my comments about the Pardner.............what a maroon............
Quite true, opinions are not facts. According to my dictionary
fact: a thing that is indisputably the case.
Since the quality is in dispute, it can not be a fact. Like it, or not, oneounceload is correct, opinions are not facts no matter how much we may wish them to be. Name calling won't change things.
Of course, there's the legal definition of fact. If you can cite a court of law finding the model in question to be "quality made" then additional debate is moot.
It sounds like the two shell latches(right & left)require adjustment, which is done by bending slightly. 6 rds in the tube creates more spring pressure on these latches with the result that a shell can jump past the latch.
I bought new an 870P with factory extension and had this problem. Fixing it required the dealer's gunsmith to spend less than 10 minutes counting disassembly/assembly.
With two mossberg 500s I had a similar issue, except here the shell latch ends had sharp points that dug into shell heads...jams.
If you bought your gun from a chain store, the store will send it for repair. You have to ask. Start with the dealer, and if not successful, call the company involved. Be nice. Somebody will help resolve this issue.
I bought new an 870P with factory extension and had this problem. Fixing it required the dealer's gunsmith to spend less than 10 minutes counting disassembly/assembly.
With two mossberg 500s I had a similar issue, except here the shell latch ends had sharp points that dug into shell heads...jams.
If you bought your gun from a chain store, the store will send it for repair. You have to ask. Start with the dealer, and if not successful, call the company involved. Be nice. Somebody will help resolve this issue.
I can't help but think that there is a simple solution to the problem of the gun not operating properly. I have seen a slew of these guns and the local Dick's sporting goods can't keep 'em in stock.
Folks here love 'em!
NOT ONE HAS BEEN RETURNED FOR ANY PROBLEM! Not one and I have been trying to buy a Protector for weeks and if I don't start camping out side of Dick's store, I may not get one!
The argument is NOT about quality, its about the fact that the gun comes from China. Well, how about the Maverick?
Anyone yagging about that brand? Comes from a nation that has invaded our country and is smuggling drugs across our borders and done so with our present administrations blessings!
I've fixed more guns that were passed as "Junk" due to the inability of the owner to effectively troubleshoot a gun and some have been a challenge but I've fixed them nonetheless.
So far, I have not had the pleasure to repair an NEF pump and figure that I won't have to if the quality remains consistant with these guns.
Nef Pro , I suggest you either return the gun and have it serviced or take it to a qualified gunsmith.
As far as those who pontificate about quality, most manufacturers build quality into their products and the quality becomes subjective with the use or abuse of the buyer who uses that product.
Oneounce has been slamming these guns for as long as I've seen this topic discussed and and I bet he does not have five seconds time handling the NEF pump.
Not to be hostile but if you are going to sing the mantra of quality, do so with objective experience and not with what you think you know.
I still think the "wand " description is hilarious. Man, that was a oner!:barf:
Folks here love 'em!
NOT ONE HAS BEEN RETURNED FOR ANY PROBLEM! Not one and I have been trying to buy a Protector for weeks and if I don't start camping out side of Dick's store, I may not get one!
The argument is NOT about quality, its about the fact that the gun comes from China. Well, how about the Maverick?
Anyone yagging about that brand? Comes from a nation that has invaded our country and is smuggling drugs across our borders and done so with our present administrations blessings!
I've fixed more guns that were passed as "Junk" due to the inability of the owner to effectively troubleshoot a gun and some have been a challenge but I've fixed them nonetheless.
So far, I have not had the pleasure to repair an NEF pump and figure that I won't have to if the quality remains consistant with these guns.
Nef Pro , I suggest you either return the gun and have it serviced or take it to a qualified gunsmith.
As far as those who pontificate about quality, most manufacturers build quality into their products and the quality becomes subjective with the use or abuse of the buyer who uses that product.
Oneounce has been slamming these guns for as long as I've seen this topic discussed and and I bet he does not have five seconds time handling the NEF pump.
Not to be hostile but if you are going to sing the mantra of quality, do so with objective experience and not with what you think you know.
I still think the "wand " description is hilarious. Man, that was a oner!:barf:
oneounceload
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Actually, no I haven't - I usually stay away from these threads as they don't interest me in the slightest one way or another.
The OP was having what appeared to be major issues with his gun, I even commented about being sorry to hear it, but then some folks started into everyone..........oh, well, have at it, I'm not getting into it with you.
jmortirmer, let's take a moment and peruse what you last posted:
"My gun store told me they have "sold hundreds" of the Pardner shotguns and have never had one returned for any reason - not one."
That's what's called hearsay. It's information received from another that can't be substantiated. It's meaningless except in
special cases like death bead utterances. For all we know, there were no returns because the store doesn't accept returns. Or, a salesman exaggerated the truth in an attempt to further a sale -- it's been known to happen.
"This store has over 2,000 guns in stock and they know what they are talking about."
There is no correlation between a large inventory and knowledge. It might indicate they are poor businessmen for maintaining a large inventory when the economy is down.
There's an old saying within the legal community:
If you have the law behind you, pound on the law.
If you have the facts behind you, pound on the on the facts.
If you don't have the law nor the facts behind you, then pound on the table.
This thread, like so many others of the "which is better" ilk, encompasses too much table pounding.
"My gun store told me they have "sold hundreds" of the Pardner shotguns and have never had one returned for any reason - not one."
That's what's called hearsay. It's information received from another that can't be substantiated. It's meaningless except in
special cases like death bead utterances. For all we know, there were no returns because the store doesn't accept returns. Or, a salesman exaggerated the truth in an attempt to further a sale -- it's been known to happen.
"This store has over 2,000 guns in stock and they know what they are talking about."
There is no correlation between a large inventory and knowledge. It might indicate they are poor businessmen for maintaining a large inventory when the economy is down.
There's an old saying within the legal community:
If you have the law behind you, pound on the law.
If you have the facts behind you, pound on the on the facts.
If you don't have the law nor the facts behind you, then pound on the table.
This thread, like so many others of the "which is better" ilk, encompasses too much table pounding.
A discussion on a gun forum has nothing to do with "hearsay" which is merely "an out of court statement." I have no reason to doubt what I was told by the salesman at the gun store I frequent. It is a factual observation by someone who works at the store. This is not a court. That a gun store has over 2,000 guns for sale does not, ipso facto, make it infallible but is an indication of a volume dealer that might know a thing or two. I accept, as a fact, that they have sold hundreds of the Pardner 870's and never had one returned for any reason. I believe what the sales guy told me. Feel free not to believe him. I don't care. I like my Pardner 870. Thank you Remington for importing such a fine gun. By the way, as a general matter, most any firearm related business is doing well, based not on the economy, but based on politics.
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I pity the poor guy who mentions his Keltec, Taurus, Hi-Point, and NEF collection in the same thread. He will become a crispy critter pronto. Scores will join the forum to chastize, criticize, circumcise, and singe this citizen.
I regret selling my Pardner Pump despite the fact that the barrel was bent to the left. I can only assume that it was adjusted at the factory. It shot great and functioned flawlessly. I stand ready to bash Hi-Points, even though I've never held one. I've had terrible luck with the K and the T but know others who have had the opposite experience.
Let's lighten up, guys.
Nogo
I regret selling my Pardner Pump despite the fact that the barrel was bent to the left. I can only assume that it was adjusted at the factory. It shot great and functioned flawlessly. I stand ready to bash Hi-Points, even though I've never held one. I've had terrible luck with the K and the T but know others who have had the opposite experience.
Let's lighten up, guys.
Nogo
A discussion on a gun forum has nothing to do with "hearsay" which is merely "an out of court statement."
Hearsay is rumor offered as fact in or out of court. It may be great for anecdotes but not for altering opinions.By the way, as a general matter, most any firearm related business is doing well, based not on the economy, but based on politics.
That's true for the entry level, HD and para-military items. Upper scale guns, like many other luxury items suffer in hard times.Speaking of politics, the Supreme Court made today (6/28/10) a great day for American gun owners and future gun owners.
It was a good day from SCOTUS but since we both live in Kalifornia wait and see - all the stupid laws remain and will remain in force and guess what? - there are more stupid laws on the way. Justice Thomas got it right - the Second Amendment is a right and protected by the Priviledges and Immunity Clause and not merely incorporation. By the way - pray the Brown is not elected Governor again - at least the "Dumbanator" vetoed a couple stupid gun laws.