The more I swab, the dirtier it looks!

Let's see...moving water carved-out the Grand Canyon. Was there any carbon there when it happened? Moving forward...steam..oh yea...steam cleaner. That's it! We clean car engines with pressurized ice water! Even children know it's eaiser to clean a kettle with hot soapy water vs. cold soapy water.

Water can't reach temps over 212F, or 100C for you Euro people? That's correct. You win a gold star. Now what about...about....oh ya...change of state...steam. Wow. Let's have a barbeque and experiment at the same time.

I'll bring a kettle of water with a lid and put it on. 10 minutes later I'll lift the lid and aim a lazer therometer inside.

Oh no, we can never riase the Mosin barrel temp above 212F with just water.

Ask yourself this: What came first? A jacketed bullet or gun cleaning solvents? How did they do it?

How did any gun that had corrosive ammo pumped thru, many times no less, survive with any metal damage decades before these Wonder solvents even existed? I am not just talking about Daniel Boone's rifle.

M1 Garands, 30 Cal carbines, and 1911s, by the millions, fired 10's of million corrosive rounds without incident as you can see now holding an exact gun. Just how were they sometimes, if not often, cleaned? Gee, I wonder.
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Wow.

Well, I didn't see any winkies ;) or smilies :) , so I'll proceed as though this snark-fest was deliberate.

'Moving water carved the grand Canyon'. Correct but inapplicable. Are you suggesting that geological erosion and bore cleaning are the same?

Your posts were 'hot water' this and 'hot water' that. Now you trumpet 'Steam!' My responses were about the 'hot water'. Yes, water can get to higher temperatures than 212F before undergoing the phase change to steam, if the pressure of the system is greater than 14 psi (pressure cooker, automotive cooling systems, etc.) High-pressure water or steam could go a great job cleaning a barrel of dirt, corrosive salts, and solvents (disregarding the fact that it would also strip away whatever finish the wood had.) It's still not going to be effective against copper and lead fouling.

Some children realize that hot water is more effective than cold. What they don't realize, being children, is that no amount of hot water is going to remove copper or lead fouling from inside a gun barrel.

Jacketed bullets made their first appearance in the 1880s. I'm sure there were not a lot of solvents available. Fouling was probably removed by mechanical means, such as scrubbing with patches. Was it effective? The creation and successful marketing of all these bore cleaners and fouling removers tells me 'no.'

With regards to removing salts left behind from firing rounds with corrosive primers, I've found water to be sufficient. The OP wasn't just cleaning corrosive salts from his barrel or else he'd have finished long ago.

Hot water is not effective against copper or lead fouling..
 
We used to boil M16's by the batch when we'd come out of the field. We'd get a big metal garbage can, fill it with water with some Simple Green, put an immersion heater in it, and fire it up. Then we'd strip the uppers and put them in the boiling water, 15-20 at a time. Let them boil for fifteen or twenty minutes, then fish them out an let them dry. I was always amazed at the gunk and crud that would be floating on the surface of the water when we were done.
 
Say thar PawPaw

Did you have to wait 4,000 years? Ha Ha.

I 'herd' that on many a time ARVN troops dunked their M1 Garands and 30 Cal Carbines directly into a stream or river to clean their weapons. Who needs solvent? Ha Ha. That isn't going to get those weapons clean.

You should hear the howling and crying when I use hot soapy water on a Mosin Nagant. "YOU CAN"T DO THAT!" "Oh but here... use some Windex."

A good thing no one ever told Daniel Bone he couldn't clean corrosive gunk out of his rifle with hot soapy water.
 
Maybe I just wrote too fast, so I'll slow it down.

Hot. Water. Is. Not. Effective. Against. Copper. Or. Lead. Fouling.
 
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