The Modern Sporting Rifle! Doesn't fool the NY Times

[buck460XVR]

That's presupposing the military will follow orders to fire on civilians. Many high-ranking officers have stated unequivocally they will NOT do this, along with soldiers saying they will not follow the order if given.

....apparently folks here are either too young to remember Kent State, or just have forgotten. Military firing upon unarmed citizens.

Still, I'm still of the mindset that folks are making way to much of the MSR moniker.

I'm repeating myself to argue that an emphasis on the MSR is a mistake for the RKBA.

I too believe it's a mistake, on both sides to even think that a moniker is what determines what is safe or unsafe. I remember the days when the moniker "muscle car" had a negative connotation to some folks while it was a badge of honor to others. Funny, it wasn't the cars that were the threat, but the driver behind the wheel. Similar to the MSR, it ain't the gun, but the loose screw attached to the trigger.

 

[Glenn E. Meyer]

We are drifting a touch in the thread. I brought up the issue as the NYTimes brought it up and it was interesting.

As far as Kent State (a thread drift, I grant you) - I met members of a NG unit that was composed of college kids (as compared to the one at Kent State). Their LT was all hot and bothered to go shoot those commie students. The student composed unit suggest to the LT, that if such an order was given, he might be in danger of taking a round.

The role of a citizen army in imposing tyranny is not to be taken for granted but that's not what the thread is about.

 

[rickyrick]

I think everyone likes to think in terms of noble and just... However, that's not how the world or humanity is.

If an unconstitutional order is given, soldiers and police will carry it out. A few may stand up and say no, but the order will be carried out.

People do immoral things all of the time, just because their boss told them too.

Nothing has changed about human nature. If the order is given to subdue a group of civilians, it will happen. Public outcry may cause a political leader to stand up and stop the act; most likely it will be over by then.

 

[rickyrick]

It's not the right to keep and bear sporting goods

 

[Pond James Pond]

If an unconstitutional order is given, soldiers and police will carry it out. A few may stand up and say no, but the order will be carried out.

Wasn't there a shooting at a student anti-war rally back in the late 60's/early 70's? It was either police or soldiers who fired on the crowd. I believe the crowd were unarmed. Can't remember the place nor exactly when.

 

[buck460XVR]

Wasn't there a shooting at a student anti-war rally back in the late 60's/early 70's? It was either police or soldiers who fired on the crowd. I believe the crowd were unarmed. Can't remember the place nor exactly when.

Coupla threads back....

....apparently folks here are either too young to remember Kent State, or just have forgotten. Military firing upon unarmed citizens

But be warned it has been touted as drifting off topic. Things were obviously different back then and gun ownership and the use of firearms against the general public had a much different stigma. This was also during the time of the bombing at UW-Madison. What's also obvious is that the climate for firearms can and will change again. It goes back and forth with every mass shooting. Every-time a President get shot. Still, it's going to take more than a silly moniker for a platform to take away our 2nd Amendment rights, but as we have seen over the years, that a change in definition of it may remove and/or change part of it.