the "Jane Fonda" question?

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I haven't forgotten Pearl Harbor, the rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death
March, the treatment of American POWs, etc.

The phrase "different culture" does not justify Japan’s heinous conduct during
my childhood years. Furthermore, I note that Japan's "apology" for WWII
seems even less sincere than Hanoi Jane's apologies.

I know the Japanese of today are only our economic enemies, but I avoid
Japanese goods when practical. However, even my American Ford and
Mercury were made in Canada and both cars have many and significant
Japanese parts. With regret I note that most of my electronic gear is made
in Japan. But then, at my VFW Post Home, I see WWII veterans driving
Japanese cars - some even with "Remember Pearl Harbor" bumper stickers.

I’m unable to understand how they have forsaken the memories of their
dead, crippled, and helpless comrades warehoused in Veterans hospitals,
lonely, with marginal medical care, waiting for the blessed relief of death.

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I haven't forgotten the Holocaust.

But I note the chief perpetrators have been caught and punished.
Furthermore, Germany continues to pay reparations for the sins of their
fathers.

I spent eleven years in Germany and have some friends there. Although it
apparently is against the law, we have discussed the times of Hitler. Their
advice burns in my heart yet today,
“Never let your government get full control of your country.”
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I haven't forgotten Jane Fonda.

I take no action against her directly but I forbid any Jane Fonda product on
my property. My wife, my daughters, and my sons-in law understand and
comply.

Hanoi Jane may be the most despicable public American of the 20th century.
To me, her only public rivals would be President Clinton and Ted Kennedy.

To forsake the “high road” for just a moment, I wouldn’t pee on Jane Fonda if
she were on fire.

Now ... if she were *not* on fire.....
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Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
Jane Fonda is so dumb she doesn't know the difference between "germ" and "German Shepherd." Also, at her age (63), she's like a lot of aging people. just taking out an "insurance (christianity) policy."

Also, as stated above, she's not sorry of her betrayal of our soldiers, she's just sorry she got caught.

And, if she is truly sincere (which I sincerely doubt!), and becomes a lover (instead of a hater) of our Constitution, she will then have NO clout!

Those in the entertainment business who have "clout" are those Mega Millionaire Marxists and Billionaire Bolsheviks, who incessantly strive for the establishment of their Great Brave New Marxist Socialist Utopian Police State World. They will consider Fonda a "traitor" to their cause and will shun her as if she had a case of smallpox.

No matter, I guarantee you boys and girls, she will be no asset to our cause.

FWIW. J.B.
 
Actions speak louder than words PERIOD. She has done nothing to try to atone for her actions. The only thing she has done is further prey upon the good nature of Americans, by asking them to forgive her without doing anything to earn their forgiveness.

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"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes."
-R.A. Heinlein
 
I'm with Greyfox on this one, she is not repenting for snitching out American POW's, she's repenting for having her picture taken with a evil gun. She's the same socialist POS she was yesterday but even worse because her repentance is nothing more then a anti-gun stance. She doesn't think the snitching was wrong.
 
DorGunR, I too having been raised with my Grandfather, have yet to be able to forget that "Day of Infamy!"

He told me that there was much to the story you don't see in the history books, and movies. Namely the strafing of clearly marked medical aid stations, and civilians!

I know this will piss alot of people off, but it is one of my two steadfast beliefs.

#1 being that ADM. Boorda DID NOT kill himself!

And this one being that if given half the opportunity, at its heart, the Japanese culture would like nothing more than to rule the world! And would probably try to do it again!

Standing by for incoming not-so-friendly fire, I must stand with my beliefs.

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I thought I'd seen it all, until a 22WMR spun a bunny 2 1/4 times in the air!
 
This on Hanoi Jane from today's Washington Times:

Hanoi Jane's apology


Bruce Herschensohn
     Americans are in a hurry to be done with the past and go on to tomorrow. As a clear example of that, pick up the July-August edition of "O: The Oprah Magazine."
     That magazine includes an interview with Jane Fonda with an introduction by Oprah Winfrey. Ms. Winfrey writes that Jane Fonda is "the same Jane who protested the Vietnam War and made some Americans so angry that they labeled her a communist and slapped her with the nickname of Hanoi Jane." Either Ms. Winfrey doesn't remember or didn't know that the reason "some Americans" thought she was a communist came from direct statements of Ms. Fonda.
     On Nov. 21, 1970 she told a University of Michigan audience of some 2,000 students, "If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist." At Duke University in North Carolina she repeated what she had said in Michigan, adding "I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism."
     She didn't merely protest the Vietnam War, as Oprah Winfrey wrote. Jane Fonda took the side of the North Vietnamese. In that recently published interview Jane Fonda states, "I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an antiaircraft carrier, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. That had nothing to do with the context that photograph was taken in. But it hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless. I wasn't thinking. I was just so bowled over by the whole experience that I didn't realize what it would look like."
     It appears to me as though Jane Fonda is sorry about the photo, but she is not apologizing for her actions that led to the photo since "the context" of which she speaks is by far worse than the photograph. That photo was taken when she went to North Vietnam in July of 1972 where she not only posed for a photo, but also recorded propaganda broadcasts for the North Vietnamese. Among her statements are these precise quotes:
     "I'm very honored to be a guest in your country, and I loudly condemn the crimes that have been committed by the U.S. Government in the name of the American people against your country. A growing number of people in the United States not only demand an end to the war, an end to the bombing, a withdrawal of all U.S. troops, and an end to the support of the Thieu clique, but we identify with the struggle of your people. We have understood that we have a common enemy: U.S. imperialism."
     And: "I want to publicly accuse Nixon of being a new-type Hitler whose crimes are being unveiled. I want to publicly charge that while waging the war of aggression in Vietnam he has betrayed everything the American people have at heart. The tragedy is for the United States and not for the Vietnamese people, because the Vietnamese people will soon regain their independence and freedom . . ."
     And: "To the U.S. servicemen who are stationed on the aircraft carriers in the Gulf of Tonkin, those of you who load the bombs on the planes should know that those weapons are illegal. And the use of those bombs or condoning the use of those bombs, makes one a war criminal."
     And: "I'm not a pacifist. I understand why the Vietnamese are fighting . . . against a white man's racist aggression. We know what U.S. imperialism has done to our country so we know what lies in store for any third world country that could have the misfortune of falling into the hands of a country such as the United States and becoming a colony . . . You know that when Nixon says the war is winding down, that he's lying."
     Within six months our military involvement was over.
     I was working for President Nixon at the White House when our men returned from being prisoners of war and I talked with many of them. For refusing to meet with her a naval commander was beaten daily while in a three-foot by five-foot windowless cell, held there for four months. A lieutenant commander was hung by his broken arm attached to a rope, then dropped by the end of the rope time after time as the table he stood on was kicked out from under him. A captain was hung under his elbows from rounded hooks on his cell wall and beaten into unconsciousness with bamboo sticks. Here are a few of the direct quotes that I saved from those days:
     Lt. Cmdr. John McCain said, "These people, Ramsey Clark, Tom Hayden, and Jane Fonda, were on the side of the North Vietnamese. I think she only saw eight selected prisoners. I was beaten unmercifully for refusing to meet with the visitors."
     Maj. Harold Kushner said, "I think the purposes of Fonda and Clark were to hurt the United States, to radicalize our young people, and to undermine our authority."
     Col. Alan Brunstrom said, "We felt that any Westerners who showed up in Hanoi were on the other side. They gave aid and comfort to the enemy, and as far as I'm concerned, they were traitors."
     After the U.S. prisoners of war returned and had landed at Clark Field in the Philippines in 1973, Jane Fonda publicly said that they were "hypocrites and liars and history will judge them severely."
     Jane Fonda has now apologized for a photograph, but she speaks about some unexplained context. The context is the crime. The photograph is merely the visual evidence of the crime.
Bruce Herschensohn is a former deputy special assistant to President Nixon and a distinguished fellow of the Claremont Institute.


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She's apologizing for a photo, but not a word about how she was a traitor to POWs who trusted her with their life by passing her notes to deliver. What does she do? Hands the notes over to one of the guards. I shudder to think what happened to those men that night!

Forgive? Hardly Forget? NEVER
 
Ruger, that incident was never proven. Doesn't change the fact that Fonda (hock-ptui!) was an evil whore, of course.
 
Lets look at it. Should WE forgive her? She did not do anything to me, personally so it is not up to me to forgive her. She was responsible for a lot of pain and anguish to my friends, my neighbors and some of my relatives. I dont think that any of them would forgive her. I have no use for her. Even the Urinal Target is more than she deserves.

Does God forgive her??? I really dont know.

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You have to be there when it's all over. Otherwise you can't say "I told you so."

Better days to be,

Ed
 
Jane Fonda has been like a piece of shrapnel embedded in a very old war wound. Too deep and difficult to reach, yet not really life threatening. Seldom noticeable, but occasionally creating a twinge of discomfort or pain.
For a very long time I loathed Jane with a passionate intensity.
The sight of her on TV or in a movie, even the sound of her voice, would make me ill.
I was serving in RVN as a grunt when Jane made her little publicity tour to the North. In my mind, her actions were treasonous, the injury she committed was unforgivable.
As a further insult, she apparently did not suffer for her actions.
Instead of the public hanging I felt she richly deserved, her successful movie career continued, she made tons of money as the queen of the home exercise video market and she married one prominent (sort of) man after another.
She enjoyed wealth and privilege and comfort while those she betrayed returned home to scorn and neglect.
This obvious injustice only hardened my heart towards her.
I carried these feelings for almost 3 decades. They didn't occupy a conspicuous place in my day to day existence. I didn't wake up in the morning or go to sleep at night praying for some misfortune to befall her. But any mention of her would serve as the trigger that would bring all that anger and hate to the surface once again.
I finally came to realize that my feelings towards Jane Fonda accomplished exactly nothing. There was nothing I could do to change or influence her. There was nothing I could do to punish her. My resentment only served as an obstacle to my own peace of mind, to my own personal progress.
So I finally let it go. She is not mine to judge. She never was.
Whether or not her conversion to Christianity is genuine is not mine to determine.
Whether or not her regret over her actions of long ago is sincere is unimportant to me. This is ancient history and it's past time to move on. Let Jane struggle with her own demons in her own way.
The only importance she has is whatever you're willing to give her. I gave her far more than she deserved for far longer than I should have.
 
If you've ever been to a VA hospital, they have special wards that the public don't have general access to. A lot of those guys are Viet Nam veterans. As long as they are suffering from their broken bodies and minds, I'll never sweep a Hanoi Jane and her demons from hell under the rug to just forget her.
She should be remembered for the socialist elite communist traitor puke she is. An object example of a U.S. citizen who has over stepped the boundries of national decency, a warning to other fuzzy thinking liberals who follow this national desgrace with hopes of her forsaking socialist communisum and turning to God. Yeah, she'll convert just as soon as Joe Stalin crawls out of his grave and repents. It ain't gonna happen, folks.
 
There's been a lot of discussion over the last few weeks regarding her desire to be forgiven for her actions in the north, and what it would take to convince us of her sincerity. I think her committing suicide might convince me- probably not, but I think it would be worth the effort.
motorep- USAF 66-68, Life Member DAV.
 
the "Jane Fonda" question?

I didn't know there was one. Facts are facts, and there are a lot of them walking and wheeling and laying around. Take a look - - maybe - just maybe, you'll understand almost all of the above responses.


USN Ret.
 
I've read the account of where she visited a NV Prison Camp, and gave up the prisoners who attempted to hand her notes. I presume this story has credibility, so I'll make my temperance based upon it.

Why does she not seek out the survivors of those days, and ask their forgiveness? She certainly has the resources to find these men, if they're still alive.
If they can find it in their hearts to forgive her, then I can also.
After all, they were the real victims of her treacherous actions against the administration.
See, most of those men were drafted, or were Officers, fighting for their country. Not some sleazy, trendy, headline grabbing, spoiled bitch, daughter of a Hollywood legend.

They were doing what they believed to be right, or were forced to, or goto prison. They didn't have the luxury of stepping on the lives of peasants. Nuff said.

Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms;
History shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
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"Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, and destroy their rugged- ness.
Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."

Vladimir Ilich Lenin, former leader of USSR

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Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.

John F. Kennedy

[This message has been edited by Donny (edited July 07, 2000).]
 
Oh, to any who think this wench aspires to political office, read this one:

AMENDMENT XIV
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.
Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

*Changed by section 1 of the 26th amendment.


I certainly believe this should exclude her from this arean.

Best Regards,
Don


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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms;
History shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
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"Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, and destroy their rugged- ness.
Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."

Vladimir Ilich Lenin, former leader of USSR
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Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.

John F. Kennedy
 
To underline:

i agree with all the members of the board regarding Fondas "repentance".

ive "heard" about her conversion to "Christianity". Ive "heard" about her sorrow for the Vietnam War. Well, I too want to see and hear it from the "horses mouth".

It seems like weve been hearing all of this from a 3rd Party. Well now its time for mizz Fonda to step forward.

And just like those Christians in the Roman Coliseum,....its time to face the lions. Declare yourself a Christian. Come what may..

On national TV.

MH.
 
Apple-a-Day:

Should we now use her for our purposes?


D#mn right!

When it comes to preserving our freedoms, and *ESPECIALLY, our 2nd amendment freedoms,....I am a guerrila-warfare fighter.

I aim to win "BY Any Means Necessary".

Fonda's generation won using the same tactics, right?

..Every Dog has its day.

Now its our turn.

Meat-Hook
 
James E:

Cant quite say I have *EVER, had anybody attack my (Meat-Hook) call sign/label,

regarding my posts.

LOL!


But for the record, I am not "polishing" Miss Fondas record. Thats impossible for me to do.

But what I will say is this:

Fonda *IS NOT* required to "apologize" to anyone. I mean absolutely NOBODY.
..like has already been mentioned, she is married to not a, "Millionaire". Oh no.

Shes married to a BILLIONARE (many times over, thank you).

So she doesnt need to say Sh!t to any of us.

#2) Fonda is the "Flag-ship" of socialism. Why not welcome her to our side if she wants to cross the bridge??????

#3) Fonda is just the icon. Remember, their is mabe 50 MILLION socialists out their who may be shaky in their resolve when it comes to old age and sticking with this socialist nonsense.

think, my man. THINK!!!!

Use your brain.

recruit, recruit,.....RECRUIT!!!!!!

MH.
 
James E:

Yes indeed.

if anyone needs to be refreshed regarding the horrors of war, then they should take a tour of a VA hospital.

Have I?

yup.

several times.

MH.
 
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