The Israelis know what a Democratic win means: weakness

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Dems' Wins in U.S. Races Concern Israel

By STEVEN STANEK
Associated Press Writer
JERUSALEM



Israelis are worried the Democratic power swing in Washington curbing President Bush's power will lead to less decisive action on Iran's nuclear ambitions, which they consider an imminent threat.
Still, Israelis interviewed Wednesday said they don't think the U.S. election results _ giving Democrats control of the House and erasing the Republicans' Senate majority _ will diminish American support for Israel.

Bush is popular among Israelis for aggressive policies toward Islamic extremism and his steadfast support for Israel, even as much of the world criticizes the Jewish state for its policies toward the Palestinians.

Most Israelis also see Bush as a strong ally against Iran's hard-line president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has said repeatedly that Israel should be destroyed. Israel sees itself as the primary target of a nuclear-armed Iran.

"Most Israelis understand that the Israeli interests, at this point, rest on future decisive statesmanship and decisive action in relation to the nuclear threat of Iran," said Menahem Blondheim of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

"Without the political support at home and in his party and among the American public, a decisive military or diplomatic move (by Bush) against Iran seems less and less likely," he said.

Blondheim said the Democrats may open the door wider for European nations, which many Israelis see as pro-Arab, to engage in Middle East diplomacy.

"Some Israelis are worried about the notion that the Democrats tend to be oriented toward multilateral diplomacy. For many Israelis, having European powers and other countries join the Middle Eastern conflict is bad news," he said.

Jacob Kay, a Web designer in Jerusalem, said he expected a Democratic majority to be less attuned to Israeli interests.

"If the House has gone Democrat, obviously that's worse for Israel because the supporters of Israel and freedom in the Middle East tend to be Republicans," said Kay, who said he was worried about any relaxation in America's policy toward Iran.

Still, many Israelis were not overly concerned.

"I think support for Israel is quite entrenched, and Israelis should not fear any deterioration in Israeli-American relations," said Efraim Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University. "We have a long history. We shouldn't panic."

Rami Bengur, 58, who owns a video store in Jerusalem, agreed.

"I believe in the Democratic Party or the Republican Party _ they're both from a democracy," he said. "This country is very important for them. From my point of view, they will do anything to protect Israel, no matter which party."

Others said it was too early to judge the elections' ramifications for Israel.

Political Analyst Yossi Alpher said he thinks there will be changes in the president's agenda, but that does not necessarily translate to a dramatic swing in policy over Iran. The first issue on the table, he said, will be the war in Iraq.

"I'm not sure that it will change the U.S. policy, it depends on the Cabinet," said Menashe Dan, a 32-year-old baker. "I think there will be a change of the foreign affairs, but I'm not sure what it's going to be _ only time will tell."
 
I think the only thing Israel has to worry about with the Democratic takeover (by the thinnest of margins) is not getting as much support as they have lately.

I think that may translate into only receiving a HALF an order of missiles overnighted to them when they ask...Or vetoing UN condemnations of their occupation with only halfhearted language, but still vetoing.

But by no means should they have to worry about the end of US support, though it'd be nice (Anti-semite! Anti-semite!)
 
Meh.

If it were up to me, we'd be giving them the choice between a tacnuke dropped on Jerusalem or extraditing the soldiers involved in murdering our sailors on the USS Liberty for trial and summary execution.

Giving them a free ride on what happened? That's the definition of weakness.
 
murdering our sailors on the USS Liberty

Heist, unfortunately you're shooting over most heads talking about the Liberty. It's easy to research but it takes people out of their comfort zone. Illusion beats facts.

badbob
 
i have heard that the U.S. gives Isreal $3,000,000,000 in military aid, each year. thats about $10 from each American) i have heard this from a number of sources, not crazy ones, so i am assuming its true. mean while we have so many problems over here. you know if Isreal really wants our help, why dont they ask to become the 51st state of America??? if they want all those hand outs, start paying taxes? any way dems wont change anything, they might push for more peace, instead of war, but hey if Isreal doesnt like it, then move! whats wrong with ohio, or montana, not good enough for them?
 
That's not counting the.....

....billions given in donations through many Jewish organizations...for such a small country, Israel has got to be the best funded military in the world...and it shows.
 
Israel is the only nation in that region that is truly our ally.
Without them, who do we have, the Saudi's?

I've done some research and conclude that the USS Liberty was a tragic screw up on Israels part, done in a time of war when Israel's very existence was in serious jeopardy. It would take a lot to convince me that this was a war crime.

As a Jew, I will admit to being biased (I have an Auntie Semite)
 
Ok. Show me the disciplinary actions taken toward the participants who machinegunned our sailors in lifeboats. :)

I just find it funny that electing a socialistic house and possibly senate is 'weakness' but letting them have a free pass without showing them who is responsible for their existence isn't. If they are our only ally, they should be a subservient state like Puerto Rico.
 
Heist, that's one hell of a long time to hold a grudge there buddy. I feel like I'm stretching it just to bring the Iran-Contra affair into a conversation, but that one takes the cake.

Of all the things and all the reasons to go after Israel...the USS Liberty??
 
Hey, why not? We'll be drumming up 9/11 for longer than the Liberty will even be remembered. I'm not ashamed of supporting Lokian politics.
 
If they've never admitted the truth and made amends, then why forget? What good does it do you to forget that someone whom you know will stab you in the back given half a chance, even though you're their "ally"?
 
mthalo said:
Israel is the only nation in that region that is truly our ally.
Indeed......so long as we are more useful to them than China is to Israel..........and may I ask............for how long?

mthalo said:
I've done some research and conclude that USS Liberty was a tragic screw up on Israels part............
Well, I've done some research as well, and conclude that USS Liberty was NOT a tragic screw up on Israel's part. It was done deliberately, just go to USS Liberty survivor website, http://www.ussliberty.org, and see for yourself what the survivors and most of high ranking US military and intelligence officials had to say about the deal.
 
Bad humor time. Someone said that Iran could have an Iranian built nuke in 5 to 10 in years. However they might be able to get an Israeli built nuke a few years sooner.

/I'll be here all night.
 
Liberty or no, Israel is the only western-style republic in the region. Heck, I'm inclined to say the only real bastion of sanity in an area filled with nutjobs and psychotics.

For that reason if no other, I'm inclined to say supporting them is a Good Idea.
 
If they've never admitted the truth and made amends, then why forget? What good does it do you to forget that someone whom you know will stab you in the back given half a chance, even though you're their "ally"?

Israel has officially made amends, and paid reparations.

I've been to the liberty.org site, too many one line sound bites, and links to their own work.
Forgive me for being skeptical, but advocating nuking Jerusalem sets off the alarm bells.
 
To everyone bashing Israel, come on. I figured everyone knew that Israel still gets support and is allowed to conduct whatever business it wants because it is a measure of control and suppression in that disgusting region. That region is a mess and with many of them wanting to go Nuclear, :barf: .
 
I think the only thing Israel has to worry about with the Democratic takeover (by the thinnest of margins) is not getting as much support as they have lately.
I disagree. What would Clinton have done had the Iranians done the nuclear sabre rattling thing? Well, let's look at what he did with North Korea. He gave them millions in aid to promise not to develop nuclear capability. Which they did, anyway, just not quite as publicly.

I have not seen a Dem be stong on national security since Kennedy.
 
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