The He-Man AR Haters Club... Part Two

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I have had 5 ARs. One 16" Colt, 2 16" Bushmasters, and 2 20" Bushmasters. ALL of them had reliability (short stroking problems) with good ammo and Mil Spec magazines. I ended up selling them. I just did not trust them. I do not doubt that some people have had good luck with them. However, alot of people have had problems. In several rifle classes I have been to, some ARs choked constantly, and some didn't.

In my opinion, I can not trust this system.
 
Wow Twist... What a revelation!
No one is whining and we are simply having a discussion on the merrits or lack there of regarding the M16.

Lots of talk about how ergonomic the Sixteen is. I prefer the ergonimics of the HK53 much better. Especially the lack of the T-handled charging. You have to move the rifle from the shoulder a bit to operate it as you cant charge the rifle when you face is where your fist will be should you perform that operation.
Granted you can do so one handed and even quickly - but you have to pull the rifle off to do so. The HK, the FAL, FAMAS, TAVOR, even a bolt action rifle - you dont have to do that. I find this NOT that ergonomically wonderful.
I also think that the Magazine Release is not that great. I would prefer an HK type release... Its more secure, less breakable, and easier to use left handed or right handed in the heat of a pitched battle. Gloves dont hinder that either.
The safety - while nice for a RightHander... isnt that special according to the many lefties I worked with in the service.

What makes people think that "While a .308 may break bone, a .223 will shatter it and turn it into a grenade." Sounds scary. But what makes you think that a .308 wont do that too? I have seen devestating wounds that the .223 produces. I caused some of them - so I know how it all came about. Yeah - it can be a nasty wound. I also saw the wounds that were caused by a fellow grunt who had an M14... Those wounds were not only just as nasty - but even more so. I remember vividly seeing bone shards - so I would call that an explosive shatter if thats what you want to call it.
BUT - We aint talking about caliber specifically. Its the rifle.
 
El Rojo: great work - i'm inspired !

Dude: I hope you can carry that M16 for a long and successful career. My concern is that you may be buried with it instead.

Some historical perspective:

Recall that the inital/intended use of the AR design by the US was at SAC bases guarding B-52's - as supplement/replacement to the handguns they carried. In this role it was probably perfect - light, handy, keep in the guard shack most of the day, cleaned a lot, shot at the range under carefully controlled conditions to requalify, useful for whacking varmints out on far-away runways when you go bored. As such, it compiled a sterling reliabilty record - which was later used as one argument for its adoption as general issue rifle.

IMHO the adoption of the AR series as a general issue service weapon was a badly flawed decision based on extrapolated data and poor theoretical models. There was also an element of inter-service rivalry (whaaa...how come them zoomies can have new toys and we can't). And the biased reliability record already described.

The majority of my 22 yr military career was spent on USN small craft (minesweeps, "research vessels"). Although we were suppose to have M16's, we carried fiberglass stocked M14's on board instead. Every single shipboard CO I served with had the option of swapping those M14's for M16's. Not one did - as most had personal experience with the M16's failures in combat during their patrol gunboat tours. The rest had learned to listen.

A month after I retired from the reserves I bought myself a little "retirement present"- a new M1A. It's the only semi-auto centerfire I own or will (hopefully) ever need.

sign me up to the club MADDOG

-ric
 
Now - let me put on my ADMIN hat for a sec...

I can see some potential flaming going on... I myself getting a little agitated.
Lets keep it civil. We are all friends here.
(even you, Rik ;) )
We are all on the same side here.
And you AR shooters are welcome to share a foxhole with me... you can even bring your 16s. But you cant have my Bud Light, Johny.
 
Whee! I take a break, go to the head (at least once a day, it's nice to know exactly what you're doing) and you guys are up to 110K!

Part Tres?
 
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