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The Florida Supremes Rule: The Fix Is In
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MrBigglesworth
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
How can they do this? Any word yet on if these "pregnant" chads shall or shall not be counted?????
I hear that one county is using pregnant chads and another is putting all in a "to count later" pile.
Current status shows over 1400 "pregnant chads in one county alone!!!!
How can they do this? Any word yet on if these "pregnant" chads shall or shall not be counted?????
I hear that one county is using pregnant chads and another is putting all in a "to count later" pile.
Current status shows over 1400 "pregnant chads in one county alone!!!!
walangkatapat
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If Gore wins on this fraud, it will be going to the US Supreme Court. I'm sure the court would hear the case, because of its importance. Now the seven dems on the Florida court gave the gore cronies five more days to invent more ballots cast in gores favor. The thing I'd do on the Bush side is to question every damn ballot to slow the process down.
Republicans bypass Supreme Court?
*borrowed from another board*
Republicans May Need to Bypass Supreme Court
Jack Thompson
Sunday, Nov. 19, 2000
If the Florida Supreme Court, sometime after Monday's hearing, decides that the unfairly chosen and fraudulently hand recounted votes from three Democrat counties must replace the ones counted by machine, then we shall have a constitutional crisis. Two branches of government – the executive in the person of Secretary of State Katherine Harris and the judiciary in the persons of seven robed Justices – will disagree about which vote-counting method should be used.
What, then, do we do? The forces of good, in this case the Republicans, must deepen the crisis. But will they? In the Orient, it is said that "a crisis is an opportunity." Oh, what an opportunity the Republicans have.
To do what? To take back the Constitution from those who have for two hundred years called it a "living document" and thus a document whose plain words are to be rendered nearly meaningless by judicial activism and attempts, primarily by the judicial branch, to remake America in its own image.
The Republican Party can remake America in the Founders' image by applying the law.
Title 3, Section 1 of the United States Code, enacted by Congress, states the following:
The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.
What was the date for appointment of the electors to the Electoral College this year? Answer: November 7, election day.
Title 3, Section 2 then states:
Failure to make choice on prescribed day
Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law [again, November 7], the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.
We are presently in the midst of a "subsequent day" and will be until the electors are appointed.
The liberal/activist Florida Supreme Court has given the Republican Party, and with it George W. Bush, an unintended gift: By ordering, on its own motion, the Secretary of State not to certify the election this past Saturday, the high court has ordered a failure to appoint the electors.
The ordered failure triggers the fail-safe mechanism. The "default setting" chosen by Congress is the Florida Legislature, which is overwhelmingly Republican by a nearly 2-1 margin in both the House and the Senate.
Therefore, should the Florida Supreme Court do the wrong thing and order Secretary of State Harris to certify the election using the fraudulently obtained votes, she can do, under law, what I recommend she do: Refuse to certify the election for Gore and turn the matter over to the Florida legislature. This will then both deepen the constitutional crisis and resolve it at the same time.
But only if the Republicans have what in South Florida we call "cajones."
What can the Florida Supreme Court do to stop Secretary Harris and the Florida legislature from playing out the above scenario? Well, they can hold Secretary Harris in contempt of court and order her jailed until she complies with its order, an order that will itself violate the state elections statute.
But who heads the state police in Florida, the police that would arrest her? Why, that would be Gov. Jeb Bush.
Mel Brooks said in "The History of the World": "It's good to be the king." And it is, right now, good to be the governor.
As Hitler blitzed through Europe, the Pope complained. Word of his complaint got back to Hitler. Hitler's response: "How many divisions has the Pope?"
The Florida Supreme Court has no divisions. The governor does. The difference this time around is that it's the Florida Supreme Court that has the power to blitz the Constitution.
Go ahead, Supreme Court: Make our day! You will, if you try to steal an election, rob yourself of the power of your robes.
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My question: Can Ms. Harris in fact turn this over to the Florida legislature?
Thanks
*borrowed from another board*
Republicans May Need to Bypass Supreme Court
Jack Thompson
Sunday, Nov. 19, 2000
If the Florida Supreme Court, sometime after Monday's hearing, decides that the unfairly chosen and fraudulently hand recounted votes from three Democrat counties must replace the ones counted by machine, then we shall have a constitutional crisis. Two branches of government – the executive in the person of Secretary of State Katherine Harris and the judiciary in the persons of seven robed Justices – will disagree about which vote-counting method should be used.
What, then, do we do? The forces of good, in this case the Republicans, must deepen the crisis. But will they? In the Orient, it is said that "a crisis is an opportunity." Oh, what an opportunity the Republicans have.
To do what? To take back the Constitution from those who have for two hundred years called it a "living document" and thus a document whose plain words are to be rendered nearly meaningless by judicial activism and attempts, primarily by the judicial branch, to remake America in its own image.
The Republican Party can remake America in the Founders' image by applying the law.
Title 3, Section 1 of the United States Code, enacted by Congress, states the following:
The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President.
What was the date for appointment of the electors to the Electoral College this year? Answer: November 7, election day.
Title 3, Section 2 then states:
Failure to make choice on prescribed day
Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law [again, November 7], the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.
We are presently in the midst of a "subsequent day" and will be until the electors are appointed.
The liberal/activist Florida Supreme Court has given the Republican Party, and with it George W. Bush, an unintended gift: By ordering, on its own motion, the Secretary of State not to certify the election this past Saturday, the high court has ordered a failure to appoint the electors.
The ordered failure triggers the fail-safe mechanism. The "default setting" chosen by Congress is the Florida Legislature, which is overwhelmingly Republican by a nearly 2-1 margin in both the House and the Senate.
Therefore, should the Florida Supreme Court do the wrong thing and order Secretary of State Harris to certify the election using the fraudulently obtained votes, she can do, under law, what I recommend she do: Refuse to certify the election for Gore and turn the matter over to the Florida legislature. This will then both deepen the constitutional crisis and resolve it at the same time.
But only if the Republicans have what in South Florida we call "cajones."
What can the Florida Supreme Court do to stop Secretary Harris and the Florida legislature from playing out the above scenario? Well, they can hold Secretary Harris in contempt of court and order her jailed until she complies with its order, an order that will itself violate the state elections statute.
But who heads the state police in Florida, the police that would arrest her? Why, that would be Gov. Jeb Bush.
Mel Brooks said in "The History of the World": "It's good to be the king." And it is, right now, good to be the governor.
As Hitler blitzed through Europe, the Pope complained. Word of his complaint got back to Hitler. Hitler's response: "How many divisions has the Pope?"
The Florida Supreme Court has no divisions. The governor does. The difference this time around is that it's the Florida Supreme Court that has the power to blitz the Constitution.
Go ahead, Supreme Court: Make our day! You will, if you try to steal an election, rob yourself of the power of your robes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My question: Can Ms. Harris in fact turn this over to the Florida legislature?
Thanks
I don't understand this at all... the SC of FL is giving them a deadline of 11/27 to have the re-counts done? What if they are not done then? Will they extend that deadline as the right of the people to have their votes counted is of primary importance? What is the difference between their deadline and the Secretary of State's deadline?
From this point on, I don't care how the election turns out. Bush is my president and I will recognize no other.
From this point on, I don't care how the election turns out. Bush is my president and I will recognize no other.
GaryH:
Here is a link to the full decision in *.pdf format. The FL *.gov sites are totally overloaded.
JadedLady: *THAT* would be really, really, kewl. Unfortunately, Republicans are usually too busy being nice and proper and gentlemanly to do anything requiring cojones.
All: Where was the ruling about accepting the military absentee ballots? Did I miss it? [/sarcasm mode]
Here is a link to the full decision in *.pdf format. The FL *.gov sites are totally overloaded.
JadedLady: *THAT* would be really, really, kewl. Unfortunately, Republicans are usually too busy being nice and proper and gentlemanly to do anything requiring cojones.
All: Where was the ruling about accepting the military absentee ballots? Did I miss it? [/sarcasm mode]
J.T.Hartsfield
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I'm fearing that we may lose this one friends, the last update was a deadline setout by the Florida Supreme court (Close of court Sunday or first thing Monday) This is plenty of time for the liberal nitwits in Florida to manufacture enough votes to put Gore on top, this is theft plain and simple. Isn’t it curious how the ruling of recount acceptance came from a Liberal democrat court.
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Bruce Dane
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I agree we’ve lost. GW is finished for this year.
By rights, this election should never have been this close! How is it that conservative principles cannot carry any more than half of those that vote – and even those who do vote are barely than half of those who could if they cared to! It’s really frustrating!!!
Perhaps this is a lost battle and not a lost war.
By rights, this election should never have been this close! How is it that conservative principles cannot carry any more than half of those that vote – and even those who do vote are barely than half of those who could if they cared to! It’s really frustrating!!!
Perhaps this is a lost battle and not a lost war.
J.T.Hartsfield
New member
I just had an idea.
Gather all the republicans and democrats in Florida, have them stand in lines opposite each other, each person gets one shot with each gun they personally own. The side with the most left standing wins. Think the Democrats would go for it ???
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TAKE OUR GUNS = TAKE OUR FREEDOM,,,,,PAY THE PRICE !!
Gather all the republicans and democrats in Florida, have them stand in lines opposite each other, each person gets one shot with each gun they personally own. The side with the most left standing wins. Think the Democrats would go for it ???
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TAKE OUR GUNS = TAKE OUR FREEDOM,,,,,PAY THE PRICE !!
John Marshall
New member
I think it is a matter of the Legislature taking the question upon themselves rather than it being given to them, just as the Supreme Court took the dispute without any request.
On another note: This "chad" business is beginning to raise my blood pressure to stroke levels. A Republican observer remarked, during an interview, that when an observer protests a ballot, it is put into a separate pile. These ballots are later reviewed by the members of the canvassing board and a decision is made as to what the "intent" of the voter was. I think we all realize those canvassing boards are heavily dominated by Democrats and it is these Democrats who are making the final decision. Talk about a FIX.
On another note: This "chad" business is beginning to raise my blood pressure to stroke levels. A Republican observer remarked, during an interview, that when an observer protests a ballot, it is put into a separate pile. These ballots are later reviewed by the members of the canvassing board and a decision is made as to what the "intent" of the voter was. I think we all realize those canvassing boards are heavily dominated by Democrats and it is these Democrats who are making the final decision. Talk about a FIX.
Looks like ALGORE is steering this election and his canvassing board operatives are going to use this latest Florida SC action tonight to STEAL the election.....If they do, I am afraid that there will be hell to pay and nothing will get done in Washington....If so, then Charlton Heston is still my President.
Screw these Washington thugs!
Screw these Washington thugs!
excerpt from the ruling
So, they don't specifically allow or disallow the so-called dimpled chad.The voters here did everything which the Election Code requires
when they punched the appropriate chad with the stylus. These voters
should not be disfranchised where their intent may be ascertained with
reasonable certainty, simply because the chad they punched did not
completely dislodge from the ballot. Such a failure may be attributable
to the fault of the election authorities, for failing to provide properly
perforated paper, or it may be the result of the voter's disability or
inadvertence. Whatever the reason, where the intention of the voter can
be fairly and satisfactorily ascertained, that intention should be given
effect.
HEY GUYS..THIS ISN'T OVER..WE HAVE A GOOD CASE
First, if they don't count the dimpled ballots, Gore will probably lose.
Second, if they do count the dimpled ballots that gives Bush a VERY strong "Equal Protection" argument with the U.S. Supreme Court (Not Nine Demo leaning folks) Floridians outside of these four counties did not have their intent re-evaluated. Neither did the rest of us.
Third, there have been Federal rulings against just this sort of thing. I think it was Alabama four, or six years back. Someone here will have the right information.
Bush is still looking sweet. It probably will come down to the dimple ballots, unless Bush gives up.
Will Dade make 5:00PM on the 26th? They wanted the deadline extended to December 1st.
First, if they don't count the dimpled ballots, Gore will probably lose.
Second, if they do count the dimpled ballots that gives Bush a VERY strong "Equal Protection" argument with the U.S. Supreme Court (Not Nine Demo leaning folks) Floridians outside of these four counties did not have their intent re-evaluated. Neither did the rest of us.
Third, there have been Federal rulings against just this sort of thing. I think it was Alabama four, or six years back. Someone here will have the right information.
Bush is still looking sweet. It probably will come down to the dimple ballots, unless Bush gives up.
Will Dade make 5:00PM on the 26th? They wanted the deadline extended to December 1st.
Frankly I'm amazed Bush did this well against an incumbant administration in an economic boom time. It shows that a number of people voted for Bush on moral grounds which is good. Gore by rights should have cleaned his clock in a landslide with this economy but, he didn't.
If this was a recession time, Bush would have blown Gore out of the water. People always vote their pocketbook.
If Gore pulls this off, he will look real bad and illigitimate. He will have sued his way into the White House. Yes, the fix is in. BUT, this will be extremely costly to the Dems and I hope it was worth it to them. They have lost all their credibility and have given us a birds eye view into their dirty dealings.
I for one will NEVER recognize him as president and will refer to him as Chairman Gore.
It just goes to show you that the general populous are sheep and how easy it would be to install a socialist despot into power with absolutely no outrage from the public.
If this was a recession time, Bush would have blown Gore out of the water. People always vote their pocketbook.
If Gore pulls this off, he will look real bad and illigitimate. He will have sued his way into the White House. Yes, the fix is in. BUT, this will be extremely costly to the Dems and I hope it was worth it to them. They have lost all their credibility and have given us a birds eye view into their dirty dealings.
I for one will NEVER recognize him as president and will refer to him as Chairman Gore.
It just goes to show you that the general populous are sheep and how easy it would be to install a socialist despot into power with absolutely no outrage from the public.
Denfoot:
I sincerely hope that you are wrong about that. I would discourage anyone from looking in that direction.
If Gore did get in, he would not be able to pass gas. This assumes that this whole thing has given the Republicans a backbone.
This makes the Senate race in Washington very important and that one isn't looking good at this point.
See what's up in Washington State:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20001121/aponline204450_000.htm
I sincerely hope that you are wrong about that. I would discourage anyone from looking in that direction.
If Gore did get in, he would not be able to pass gas. This assumes that this whole thing has given the Republicans a backbone.
This makes the Senate race in Washington very important and that one isn't looking good at this point.
See what's up in Washington State:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20001121/aponline204450_000.htm
Libertarian
New member
Look folks, this is absolute bulls***! Gore does not need Florida to win. All he needs to do is keep the Bushies running so fast that they fail to realize that without Florida; Gore wins. Simple. Gore delays things until the Electoral College meets and without Florida he has a majority of votes.
And all of this time you thought that Gore was fighting to win Florida, right? He's fighting to keep Bush from winning it. And if Gore does win Florida, so much the better for him. He is in an almost win/win situation.
And all of this time you thought that Gore was fighting to win Florida, right? He's fighting to keep Bush from winning it. And if Gore does win Florida, so much the better for him. He is in an almost win/win situation.