The Democrats win one for a change, at the expense of the Boy Scouts

Not if you are a private club and are not supported, even in part by public funds.
There was the big deal about some lady golpher who wished tp play at a "Men's only" course. She sued but I think it still did not go her way. Why? They are a "private" club.
Do the Shriner's still ban blacks from becoming a member? They used to, however when it comes to helping out children with dire needs, they are, to their merit, colorblind.
My school is a private club. As such I do not have to make my building accessible. Of course it is, otherwise my wife would have to teach all the classes.
Does anyone know of any shoooting clubs or orgs that restrict who can be a member?
 
The Boy Scouts of America could be a tremendous asset to promoting the 2nd Ammendment. Unfortunately, I don't think they are as relevant anymore.
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Ummm, I helped 2 Star Scouts get their Rifle Shooting merit badge last week.

Same 2 guys will be getting Shotgun Shooting in December.

Maybe they could do more, but they're still one of the few nationally-respected organizations that issues awards for good shooting.
 
Is there a federal law that makes it illegal to exclude employment or membership due to sexual orientation?
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Mute, that is an excellent question. To my knowledge, federal law prohibits discrimination in employment and housing only on the bases of race, national origin, religion, age, and sex - not anything else, particularly of note sexual orientation. Even if there was such a federal law, a scout leader doesn't get paid, so it's not "employment". So, given the rules of the Scouts, I don't see a problem with them receiving federal grants, relative to the homosexual issue. I *DO* think it may be an issue with respect to religion - and since this such discrimination, "respecting an establishment of religion"; namely, monotheism or simply theism, is possibly a sufficient condition to deny federal funds, then so be it. (I don't know, however, since it's mere membership or leadership, and nothing to do with employment or housing or common carriers..????). But scouts can do whatever in the heck they want to do, and if they don't receive federal funds, they can discriminate vis a vis religion to their heart's content. I'm glad this thread came up - I'm going to look into getting my nephews into scouts - great idea. They're 4 and 2 years - when can they start?
 
I was in the scouts in Los Angeles, and sadly I wouldn't trust most of them, at least in that chapter, with a piece of string. In my experience it has turned into a getaway for rich parents and their rich spoiled little bitch kids. Of course there were always a few kids who really were more what the scouts used to be, who could shoot and navigate and survive in the woods. While the other kids were raiding each others tents for snack food and touching each other in special places, we were actually going on hikes and scouting the woods. Meanwhile the parents were sitting around a fire and barbequeing oatmeal.

I'm not saying that this is typical of the boy scouts, but this has been my experience.
 
You haven't demonstrated that it's forced anything. We're not talking about quotas - just free public access to a publicly funded club. If you want to make a point along those lines, repeating a mantra isn't going to clarify a position.


As to be against "Forced anything", how do you feel about "forcing" people to give up things like slavery, segregation, criminal violence, wife beating or whatever else laws "force" people to do?
 
I think the Boy Scouts are a private group. And yes, forced diversity goes beyond quotas.

Here were I live, the local gay and lesbains had a parade, a gay and lesbian parade, about 2 years ago. Some folks wanted, about a month later, to have a ""proud to be straight parade". The city would not allow it, because it would incite people. Hmmm, we are back to Forced Diversity.
 
Then that group should have sued, citing "equal protection under the law".


The "issue" here is that the private group that you want to keep so private is using PUBLIC money and facilities: "ACLU has sued Department of Defense, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Chicago Board of Education." The ACLU didn't take the Scouts to court, they took the agencies to court that were handing out OUR money to the Scouts.

Who is being forced to do what, again?


If this was about some other group suing the gov't. for giving "the Gay Sportsmen of America" public funds there wouldn't be a peep out of any of you.
 
No, in a not so round about way they are forcing the government to not use tax payer money to fund an exclusive group.
 
It's pretty complicated, because even though the Boy Scouts of America is a private organization, they are practically an institution in the US, and therefore recieve government funding. At least, thats the way I look at it.
 
No, in a not so round about way they are forcing the government to not use tax payer money to fund an exclusive group.
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WELL, the ACLU is a selective bunch. Dont see them going after Affirmative Action, which government money/perks goes to a selective group.
 
Affirmative action was a gov't program and a law, not an organization.

The Scouts are an American institution that I'd like to see flourish. Too bad they have some slightly un-American views about who can receive the benefits of their program.
 
BSA can't have it both ways

I would be very interested in any information you have which contradicts this.

LawDog

I'm assuming from your lack of response that you have seen enough information to realize you were mistaking about the BSA not recieving public (tax dollars) funds?

In a nutshell, in a round about way, the ACLU is trying to FORCE the Scouts to include folks that they do not want to include........by kbr80

No, not at all. They are simply holding the BSA's feet to the fire when it comes to receiving public (tax dollars) funds while at the same time discriminating against those who have a different sexual orientation than they wish to allow in as well as booting out anyone who does not believe in god. Would you want some gay people to start their own BSA chapter (or a like org) and receive YOUR tax dollars while at the same time not allowing "straight" men or anyone who believes in a god membership? membership?
 
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