The Democrats are all for bringing the troops home

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Kelly J

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Let me offer this little bit of insight into the mix.

All the Democrats are calling for an immediate withdrawal from the Middle East, and to that I would offer this condition: Fine we will withdraw under these domestic conditions, 1. All ill eagle Aliens are immediately deported without reservation. 2. The returning troops will be reassigned to the total border security. 3. The Troops will also be assigned to 100% inspection of all incoming Cargo shipments. 4. There will be no emigrants allowed that have not already been in the system waiting acceptance and then it would be cut off for a period of ten years. 5. We demand repayment of all debts owed this country regardless of the reason for the debt Paid in Full, and the money received to us would be then used to pay off, or down the National Debt we owe with the understanding that any unpaid balance would be first priority. 6. Kick the UN off US soil errantly. 7. Inform the world we will no longer be in the business of protecting them from anybody.

If that is agreeable put it in writing and tell the boys/girls to come home, we have a new job for them.

Now think on that one!
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1. All illeagle Alians are imediately deported without reservation.
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How about we change number one to: All children in country may only graduate highschool after showing possesion of college level spelling & literacy skills. Aliens too.

3. The Troops will also be asigned to 100% inspection of all incomming Cargo shipments.
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That's a pipe dream, you can't imagine the task you're describing.

5. We demand repayment of all debts owed this country regardless of the reason for the debt PAID IN FULL
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How much you wanna bet that it'd start ww3 if China decided to do that with us?

6. Kick the UN off US soil permantly.
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Hell yeah, I'm with you on that brother.

7. Inform the world we will no longer be in the buisness of protecting them from anybody.
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But what about the ones that have a vested interest in seeing succeed (Ahem, that's you Soudi Arabia!), regardless of their rather bloody history of being rotten despots? We'd still be protecting THOSE folks...
 
How could there be such a compromise between the parties (even if otherwise feasible) when the Republicans who are in charge now and have been for some time, are just as gung-ho about continuing to let illegals into the country unfettered, as the Democrats are, and in some cases, more so?
 
Esquire M Busterbury , Your response to #1.

How about we change number one to: All children in country may only graduate high school after showing possession of college level spelling & literacy skills. Aliens too.

Reply, Can you show any place in the world that this situation exists, as a model? No aliens remember they are gone. As for the Education Compliance I would be perfectly satisfied if they could read write, add & subtract, and make change without the aid of a cash register to tell them how much change to give back to the customer.

Response to #3.

That's a pipe dream; you can't imagine the task you're describing. Lets modify that slightly if the load was too large to handle, there are still people looking for work isn’t there!

Reply, My thoughts on your reply to #1, plus
I assume that your response to #3 which I will take to include #2 as they are both related to the Military, and would have to disagree with your assessment, have you ever seen a well oiled machine when motivated into action?


Your Response to #5.

How much you want to bet that it'd start ww3 if China decided to do that with us? Why does every action always have to end in the threat of a WWIII? Besides where do you think the Chinese economy is getting their resources from, South Africa?

Reply, Why would they complain we are getting repaid debts owed to us to enable the repayment of a debt owed them there would be no need for a war, as all we are doing is settling up accounts?

Your response to #6. No Problem!

Your Response to #7.

But what about the ones that have a vested interest in seeing succeed (Ahem, that's you Saudi Arabia!), regardless of their rather bloody history of being rotten despots? We'd still be protecting THOSE folks...

Reply, How do you figure we would still be protecting any foreign country, remember we put them on notice were no longer the world COP?



Since you did not respond to #4, am I to assume that that one is OK with You?
 
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5. We demand repayment of all debts owed this country regardless of the reason for the debt PAID IN FULL, and the money recieved to us would be then used to pay off, or down the National Debt we owe with the understanding that any unpaid ballance would be first priority.
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So all the debts that are owed to us must be "PAID IN FULL" but the debts that we owe others do not have the same requirement to be "PAID IN FULL"? Oh yeah, that's real fair.

Reply, Can you show any place in the world that this situatuion exist, as a model? No aliens rember they are gone!
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I think his point is that you should check your posts for spelling and grammatical errors if you expect people to take you seriously. I know a number of immigrants that speak, read and write English at a collegiate level. Someone complaining about their presence here should at least be on par.

4. There will be no emigrants allowed that have not already been in the system waiting acceptance and then it would be cut off for a period of ten years.,
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Why? There is no shortage of jobs in this country. Even if every illegal was fully legal there would still be enough employment to support the same number of people coming into this country. The problem is illegal immigration, not immigration.
 
First Freedom, To answer this to the best of my ability, it is called a Political Compromise, we would surrender to their demands but they would have to accept our Conditions, Quid Pro Quo!
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The calling in all debts is like the parable of the man who owed his master $100 and the debt was forgiven, the man turned around and threatened another servant who owed him $10.

If we start calling in debts we have to realize that there are INDIVIDUALS in the east that have a TRILLIONS of DOLLARS in the US economy. I don't recall if they own bonds or what the deal is, but if they all called in their debts at once as we propose to do, our economy would colapse. Then, like rats leaving a sinking ship, all the illegal immigrants would head back where they came from and we would be crossing the boarder looking for a better life in Mexico.

Macho posturing is one thing, but reality is another thing entirely.
 
Kelly J,

I hate to tell you this, but Esquire's post was intended to poke fun at the fact that your post was chock full of typographical, spelling, and grammatical errors.

Look, my knack is for spotting those things, and in fact it's my profession. But I don't go around (anymore) pointing them out everywhere I see them: I'd never get any actual pithy posting done. :(

I don't know what your background is. Sometimes I find out that a particular internet poster's bad spelling, etc. is because English is not his first language -- and he's really trying. Other times, it's just either poor education, apathy, or hey, it's simply not something the person is good at.

But the "joke" of Busterbury's post went right over your head, it seems.

If it's possible (i.e. you are not a non-native English speaker, or dyslexic, or have some other difficulty) I would recommend making a greater effort to improve the spelling and grammar you employ in your posts. Your ideas are quite good; but the faulty mechanics you are using in conveying them detracts from them.

Cheers,
-azurefly
 
Redworm, I state the debt issue the way I did simply because I don't know the National debt any more than anyone else, we could end up with a surplus!

The issue about the spelling, and grammar is well taken, but you know, the difference here is this I was born here and I did not Break any laws by doing so, and to be perfectly honest with you, I'm 65 years old with a 8th grade education and I would be the first to state that I do not have a Command of the English language, and don't spell very well but as a 43 year Tool maker I would put my machining skills up against any one, I learned to work with my hands to make a living for my family and did so with out the aid of a working wife, my home is paid for my truck is paid for my bills are current and I am on disability and still keep my standing as an excellent credit risk, and all with out the aid of plastic I pay cash for 80% of the things I buy, and the Bank don't OWN me, nor do they have me by the short hairs! Thank you very much! And as to taking me seriously that was never the intent, I threw out a point of interest for people to ponder, I know full well these things will never happen, as do you!

If you notice my statement #1 reads "1. All ill eagle Aliens are immediately deported without reservation". So this nullifies you comment below.

"Why? There is no shortage of jobs in this country. Even if every illegal were fully legal there would still be enough employment to support the same number of people coming into this country. The problem is illegal immigration, not immigration". DAH!
 
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Kelly J, a 65-year-old guy who made a way for himself in the world with machine skills and an 8th grade education earns my respect. :)

Knowing that some people found themselves in situations like that, and lived their lives as they happened to be, is one of the reasons I don't jump up and down on people whose grammar and spelling skills are not as good as mine. Not everything is about spelling and grammar, and an intelligent person can make allowances for differences in education levels as long as the point still comes across.

That is not to say that effort should not be made to maintain high standards of written language; but it would be a mistake to write off what you have to say, Kelly J, just because there are some misspellings.

It took me a while to mature to the point where I realized that. I'm happy to have reached that point, and I'm glad you're here taking part in discussions.


-azurefly
 
Azurefly, I'm a pretty thick skinned individual, and I will keep going to the best of my ability, I don't mind someone telling me I smell like S**t, nor would I take offence if they said I need a different deodorant, but to rub it in, now there I do draw the line, no one knows my short falls better than I do, well that isn't correct My Wife is well aware of them also, but these other people that are quick to criticize, without knowing a person I don't have much respect for, if they are so well versed in the English language, one would assume they would have the skills to respond in a more polite manner, I was told once to attack the Message not the Messenger, but make no mistake, if I am attacked, I will come out Swinging. May not win but I will get a few licks in, and it will be known I was there in the scrap.

Thank you for your kind Support it is appreciated.
 
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Redworm , I state the debt issue the way I did simply because I don't know the National debt any more than anyone else, we could end up with a surplus!

The issue about the spelling, and grammar is well taken, but you know, the difference here is this I was born here and I did not Break any laws by doing so, and to be perfectly honest with you, I'm 65 years old with a 8th grade education and I would be the first to state that I do not have a Command of the english language, and don't spell very well but as a 43 year Tool maker I would put my machining skills up against any one, I learned to work with my hands to make a living for my family and did so with out the aid of a working wife, my home is paid for my truck is paid for my bills are current and I am on disability and still keep my standing as an exelent credit risk, and all with out the aid of plastic I pay cash for 80% of the things I buy, and the Bank don't OWN me, nor do they have me by the short hairs! Thank you very much! And as to taking me seriously that was never the intent, I threw out a point of interest for people to ponder, I know full well these things will never happen as do you!

If you notice my statement #1 reads "1. All illeagle Alians are imediately deported without reservation". So this nulifies you comment below.

"Why? There is no shortage of jobs in this country. Even if every illegal was fully legal there would still be enough employment to support the same number of people coming into this country. The problem is illegal immigration, not immigration". DAH!
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As with azure, props for succeeding without formal education.

As to the national debt, if everyone tried to call in their debts all at the same time the world's economy would be severly affected. It's not as simple as a couple of checks being mailed. Much of the world's economy relies on debt and we can't pretend that our nation wouldn't be sorely affected by the economic collapse of another nation. We're in a global economy and there is absolutely no way to reverse that.

My statement isn't nullified; there is no problem with legal immigration. There is no reason to stop legal immigration.
 
Just for the sake of the point I was trying to make. The Democrats are always harping on the need to withdraw our troops, but never offer any plan on how to accomplish this, or the results of such a move, so as dumb as I am; I thought I would throw out a proposal to accomplish that end with an understanding that, OK, we can do that but here is the things we want in return, they were unworkable suggestions that's true but so is the plan to cut and run like the Treasonous bunch want to do. But at least I offered a plan, that's a hell of a lot more than they have done to date, and I didn't bash Bush doing it!
 
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Have the Republicans offered much more of a plan for staying? That being said I'm pretty sure if someone bothers to look hard enough one can find a number of withdrawl plans from numerous Democrats. At least something better than "staying the course" because those three words certainly don't amount to any kind of a plan.
 
Redworm, on the issue of Immigration I did not say stop it did I? What I said was, Quote 4. There will be no emigrants allowed that have not already been in the system waiting acceptance and then it would be cut off for a period of ten years. unquote, This would allow the people in the system to be processed and then during the ten year period the Immigration laws can be looked at and redesigned to be more effective, and even speed up the process, there are X number of people waiting now for permission to enter the country and I would not deny any legal immigrant, the opportunity of Citizenship, but it must be LEGAL, and they MUST LEARN ENGLISH, Read and write, Not at the level of a collage grad but well enough to get by, and as far as I am concerned English should be the official language of this country, I am not for one minute suggesting that immigrants be denied their heritage, but there is room in this country for ONE FLAG AND ONE LANGUAGE, PUBLICLY!

To many good men have fought to preserve these things to see them eroded by anyone for any reason, now or ever.
 
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Hey Kelly J,
What area of toolmaking did you work in? I built progressive dies for several years with drill jigs and various fixtures thrown in. Started programming CNC
machinery after the die-making dried up. When most of the industrial base moved offshore, more and more shops started competing for an ever decreasing amount of work. What profit there was in trying to maintain a shop was gone, so I got out.

badbob
 
I still don't understand why stopping it for ten years would even be an issue. The laws can be reformed without refusing people for a decade. That being said while I do believe that English should be the official language for all government documents and such I have to wonder what would happen to all the territories under US control.

Puerto Ricans are born United States citizens yet have no obligation to learn English. I don't see why they should.

Then again I feel there'd be a drastic improvement in international relations if everyone in the country was bilingual and while certainly within the realm of possibility I can't really see that happening.

Anyhoo...I don't think there's a need to stop immigration for ten years. If anything it would increase our problem in trying to stem illegal immigration. I think the current process is far too stringent as it is. I believe the only real requirements should be an ability to communicate and a clean criminal record.
 
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