The Death Penalty, Schwarzenegger and Court TV movie

There's no one to vote for in 2008. Who is conservative enough for me to feel good about voting for? No one. Well...maybe Michael Savage...
 
Funny, he bans .50's, raises taxes, but since he's a RINO who supports death he's the cat's meow in this forum....
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Do you bother to read before you post? One poster makes a pro-Arnie, though possibly facetious, statement and several more bash Arnie. That makes this forum an Arnie cheering section?

Come on.
 
There was quite a bit of Arnie cheerleading awhile back. I was warning people on every forum what a shmuck he is, but it didn't seem to have an effect until the news broke that he banned the .50's.

If you have seen some of the negative comments I got back when I had my Arnie signature on several forums, you would understand where I'm coming from. ;)

Evil democrat this, Kerry lost get over it that, one guy even PM'd me to say that I was a "dirty jew" or something to that effect. I thought that was a little over the top.
 
I notice that you live a ways away from CA. So, can I assume you did not suffer through rolling blackouts, bizzare legislation, sweeping gun bans, blatant political maniupulations and such under Gray Davis?

If you had, you might understand some of the enthusiasm regarding Schwartzenneger. He's no beauty queen, but he's a heck of a lot better than the pig we had before.
 
He may very well be a great Gov (I wouldn't know), but I still don't approve of tinkering with the Constitution just for one guy...
 
Absolutely not. Arnold, no matter how great a governator he is, and I don't think he's all that great, should not be president.
 
I was warning people on every forum what a shmuck he is, but it didn't seem to have an effect until the news broke that he banned the .50's.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, here. As Gov., Arnold failed to veto a piece of legislation that the state legislation wrote and passed.

George Bush promised to not veto a new Crime Bill, if Congress passed one.



What the hell is the difference?
 
To me the death penalty is not to stop people from committing crimes it's to save the $35000 a year it cost to feed them. Would you rather feed a criminal for life or send 75000 poor kids a year to a good collage.
 
Colin:

Personally, I'd do neither of the above. I don't think that it is any business of the government to be sending anybody to college. I'd say, let's spend the $35K on something the government really needs to be doing, or better yet cut taxes by $35K.

Now, for reality -- there really isn't any $35K savings, anyway. Not when you take into account the fact that the taxpayers are paying for all of those appeals, and those aren't free, by any means. It turns out that it actually costs MORE to carry out the death penalty than it does to just incarcerate the villian for life.

I'd say, we need to streamline the capital punishment appeals processes (note: streamline, not eliminate), and then use the savings either in a more appropriate manner or reduce taxes by that amount.
 
As for the Governator, well, I do believe that those who push for his being president are overlooking the Constitution, which explicitly forbids this. Not only that, I have confidence that the Founding Fathers knew best in that matter, and I am not in favor of amending the constitution just so that he can run. There are plenty of other useful things that he can do short of being president. While I applaud him in much of what he is doing over there in Kommiefornia (like just recently standing up to the Nurses' Union -- BRAVO!), he has still not taken an appropriate line pertaining to RKBA, other RINO stuff he's done, and then there's that little thing about the constitution.

BTW -- my wife is in the Healthcare business, management level, and the company she is with has been doing "battle" with the Cali Nurses' Union since like forever. The war stories! Most people haven't a clue what goes on there...
 
4thHorseman:

Roger That! Fry 'Em! That's what they make juries for. Just about everyone in prison claims to be innocent, but that doesn't make it so.
 
it's to save the $35000 a year it cost to feed them.
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Oh good. We're back to the killing people for profit argument!

Hey, maybe that would be just the ticket for welfare reform! :rolleyes:




The choice to kill or not is one of the most important a society can make. The richest country on earth shouldn't be making life and death choices with a calculator. You can't tell the widow of a wrongly executed man that his death helped send somebody to college, or lowered the deficit. It doesn't work that way in a free and just society.
 
Do we have two threads mixed up here? The troll's on capital punishment and Arnie for Prez?

On the troll's thread, I am against the death sentence. I feel the time spent appealing, etc. could better be spent on working to repay society for their keep. Probably the ideal would be hard labor under a chemically induced, reversable (in case of mistakes) prefrontal lobotomy. Get repayment for the debt, limit the number of officers tied up to maintain the prisoner.
 
Now, for reality -- there really isn't any $35K savings, anyway. Not when you take into account the fact that the taxpayers are paying for all of those appeals, and those aren't free, by any means. It turns out that it actually costs MORE to carry out the death penalty than it does to just incarcerate the villian for life.
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That's really not true. A convict is probably going to go through about 10 years worth of appeals, even if they are sentenced to 40 in prison.
 
It bothers me that we can't produce men of stature within our own borders in sufficient amounts that we end up considering naturalized citizens for important offices. It speaks poorly of our educational and political systems.
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It only seems that way because in the US politics has become a lucrative, shady field of work. Therefore it gets flooded with people who only have money on the brain. It takes no special knowledge to be a politician, only a capacity to deceive (or convince if you want to say it nicely) others into believing you are what's best for them. The only reason Arnold is so appealing to people is because he is not what they're used to from politicians. He's a popular actor that people enjoy being entertained by. It doesn't take a foreign-born person to accomplish this feat, look at Jesse Ventura.

We'd be better off nominating our own candidates than choosing from Giant Douchebag and Turd Sandwich, to use a South Park analogy.

As for the death penalty. It seems to me that DNA technology is what is helping to free previously convicted innocent people, but it is also what is beginning to be used in many cases to convict people. If you are sure enough that you've got the right person, and the evidence supports it, the death penalty should be applied in heinous crimes and expedited.
 
Yes, and Jesse The Mind is 1 or 2 notches above Arnold in brainpower. Arnold's no dummy, but Jesse is purt damn sharp. Handy correctly points out that Arnold is a Bush Republican, a RINO, who is for some gun "control" when he deems it "reasonable"; that is, expedient to furthering his career. Only difference is Arnold doesn't have to cater to devout Christians like Shrub, since they have little political clout in Cali; thus he can be "pro-choice".
 
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