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Jim-Alex:

"You are probably correct on the eye perceiving only
"so much" brightness, then your lens shuts down quite a bit."

Actually that isn't quite what I meant. What I was trying to say was that I think eyesight brightness perception may be "logarithmic", like human ears are.

For example, for a car stereo, in order to make it sound _twice_ as loud, you actually need _ten_ times as much power, not _twice_ the power. If it only took twice the power to make it sound twice as loud, then it would be linear. Since it takes ten times as much power, it's logarithmic. Here's a URL that briefly talks about this: http://www.iitap.iastate.edu/numaps/poudel/decibel.html

(The reason you don't need to turn the volume control up 10 times to make it twice as loud is because the volume control itself is a logarithmic control, not a linear one like a toaster's darkness control).

So in terms of flashlights... I was thinking that maybe it takes more than twice the lumens for something to seem twice as bright. I don't know if it's a "base 10" logarithm (meaning it takes 10 times the lumens), or "base 5", or some other base, but it appears to be non-linear.

Of course, I could just have mutant eyeballs :eek:

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To answer your question, I perceived the brightness from behind the light rather than having someone flash the light in my eyes. My momma told me not to look into bright lights ;)
 
Navajo:

Understood. I hated logs to whatever base. Fortunate to never had to use them. Possibly the inverse square law of light might explain somewhat. It is a measure independent
of an organ (i.e the eye) where the decibel scale is based upon the receiving organ (ear). The site you mentioned was a good explanation of the decibel scale.

A quick search for lumen turned up something that may have
some application. It is a discussion of light intensity from the "recipient" point of view. in this case however the recipients are museum objects and how a curator might
guess at the "amount of light" falling on an object.
http://www.natmus.dk/cons/tp/lightcd/lumen.htm

In any event, from the "holder of the flashlight" point of view, I doubt there is any important difference between the 6P and 9P if the object illuminated is less than a couple of yards away. If the object has eyes however, there may be a difference, maybe only in how long one sees spots. :)

Regards,
Jim
 
I leave it to you the experts, has there been a determination yet whether the 6 or 9 is brighter, and from what point of view ?

I'm thinking of getting one and need help to decide which ?
 
Cool Site!

Jim-alex, I have a pseudo flashlight fetish, if you well, but I never thought I would find a site that catered so readily to it! Very cool information. Thanks.
 
Cool Site!

Jim-alex, I have a pseudo flashlight fetish, if you well, but I never thought I would find a site that catered so readily to it! Very cool information. Thanks.
 
Thanks for the info. :)

Expert is a relative term, I was just wondering since the question had been brought up about the brightness of the 6 vs 9 if any of you users saw a difference.
 
Getting in a little late on this thread, but here's my .02 :)

If the light is not going to get used regularly, get the 6/9 P or Z series, whichever you prefer. If you already have one and want a little more light at the cost of a shorter battery life, upgrade the to a P61 or P91 bulb.

If you use the light regularly and will keep it charged - go w/the Surefire 8X or 9N. 110 and 140 lumens in a very small package. The charge will drain over time if the light just sits so if this is you, go w/a lithium powered system.

You can upgrade your 6 volt Surefires (handheld and weapon lights) to 9 volts with a spacer.

I use a 6Z w/a P60 bulb, 8X, 12Z (recently changed from the M3) and a 9 volt system w/P91 bulb on an 870P. I've used these awhile so if you have any ?'s on run time, battery life, brightness etc. I'll tell you what I can :)
 
Be advised that Laser Products also makes a 3P Surefire, a single cell light, with a pocket clip. Nice and compact, and still enough light for the job.
 
Flashlight Fetish

Ummm... I won't admit to such a fetish. But to spam for a minute I'd like to mention I did start a forum just for flashlights and anything that lights up (but still legal). http://www.candlepowerforums.com

Also, SureFire has a forum: http://www.surefire.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi

I have the SF 6P. I'm satisfied with it. But after reading navaho's post I think I'm short at least one more flashlight. I was entertaining the idea of the P61 lamp but the P60 battery runtime is already low at 60 minutes. 20 minutes for the P61 is not much. Maybe I'll get the 9P. Or wait and see if there'll be a Nitrolon version of the 9P.

[Edited by DavidW on 12-15-2000 at 02:33 AM]
 
well, now I don't feel so stupid...

I checked out the flashlight forums posted above, and found an interesting thread between a couple of guys who say that they can (just barely) tell the difference between the 125 lumens vs. the 225 lumens with the Surefire M3 flashlight.

That's a difference of 100 lumens! Knowing that they can barely differentiate b/n a delta of 100 lumens makes me feel a lot less stupid about not being able to differentiate b/n a delta of 40 lumens (the 6P's 65 lumens vs. the 9P's 105 lumens) :p

Their discussion is at:

http://www.surefire.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000026.html

and a description of the SureFire M3 is at:

http://store.yahoo.com/botach/surfirm3mil9.html
 
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