The Army's New Pistol

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So what am I missing? Why did they choose this in the first place?
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They passeed the testing. They met the price point and they were one of the first to agree to setting up production in the US.

I've used one for over 20 years of military service and owned one for a couple years before joining the military ( It was one of the first pistols I bought, because "the Military uses it", back when I was 21.)

23 years later I have a lot more pistol experience under my belt. Other pistols do fit me better, btu I still shoot the Beretta really well, largely because I did the majority of my learning to shoot with it. I've had no problems with my personal pistol (an Italian made 92 FS), or the service pistols that were issued to me on deployments.

It works.

If they adopt anther pistol with equal reliability, and accuracy, I just hope it is one that fits more people well.
 
I doubt the US Mil. would ever adopt the .40SW. A lot of police departments are ditching it to go back to 9mm and 9mm is a NATO caliber, which generally we stick to. I don't see them taking Glocks either because they generally dictate the firearm has a manual safety, so unless Glock retro-fits their guns with one (which can be done) i don't see it happening.

I think youl see see similar to the rifle tests, they will test the new guns, and decide its not worth upgrading.
 
And where do you think the Beretta is made? Made here in the USA and once the military contract for the balance of 100,000 M9 are completed they will be moving to TN BECAUSE of Maryland's gun laws and attitude
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I am aware of where beretta is produced, I actually know a lot about beretta, I have toured the original {still standing}factory in Trompia Valley, {I am in Italy often, I am going this weekend, not to the factory, but I have done it twice}. I have met one of the owners {one of the sons}, the company has been owned by his family for a half millenium!!! Thats impressive no matter which continent you are on...

Anyway, I just think sw should be making our gov guns... Why send any money out of the country, sure they employ us workers, but sw does too... I am just sick of seeing my swhc stock go down, I can't complain I bought late in 012 for under $3 now its around $10 I believe but it was as high as $17, I should have sold then, damn my american greed..
 
Just click bait. Everyone and their mother will make a pistol and guess what... They will just keep their M9s... :rolleyes:

Considering most people I've met don't even carry a side arm. If you wanna make an infantry more dangerous get them a better rifle if possible. (m4s seem just fine too.) I haven't heard of side arms winning any major battles.
 
Not sure what they expect of the M&P .... it doesn't offer any significant improvement over the M9. IF we have to have a new pistol maybe go with something that is relevant for the next 20-30 years, open to suggestions

As for winning major battles in LOTR, Legolas used his dagger cqb quite effectively against the orcs...sure he could have used his bow but it wouldn't be the best tool
 
...M&P .... it doesn't offer any significant improvement over the M9...
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Hmmm... 7 oz. lighter is significant.

The FN 5.7 is @ 6 oz lighter than the M&P!... plus the ammo is way lighter too... Too bad the FN 5.7 isn't currently produced here, but that could change since some FN military guns are already made in Columbia, South Carolina.

The "...something relevant for the next 20-30 years..." comment is the crux of the discussion. Lighter with more rounds is the significant appeal of the 5.7. The U.S. Secret Service has been using some for many years... This idea is not outlandish, underlined by the armor-piercing configuration possibilities inherent with the 5.7 round.
 
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In my opinion, whatever the military chooses as a new firearm is extremely subjective and probably dependent on the tastes (or allegiances) of the guy who gets to choose.
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Exactly. It's all political. The army doesn't choose the best equipment, they choose whatever meets the minimum requirements for the least amount of money, or they choose whatever company they are personal friends with or got treated the best by.
 
The money the military is saving by grounding the A10 Warthog can go to purchasing new pistols
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The heck with that, as an combat infantry man, I'd much rather have the A10 backing me up then a damn pistol

A better idea that has been floating around is to give the A10 to the Army. The Army wants it, has a need for it, and AF wants to get rid of it because its not some supper high tech. fighter.

There was no better aircraft made to support infantry troops.
 
Are you trying to say that groups like ISIS would be more concerned about A10's then new pistols? Blasphemy! ;)
 
I put little stock in anything by CNN but..... Either the FN, M&P or HK in 45acp would make sense. Of course the military has so many factors that influences what makes sense that I wouldnt want to guess.
Perhaps this is why "What the military or Police use" isnt a superlative endorsement for a firearm choice for a private citizen with much better options. ;)
 
I hope they go with a smaller pistol this time.....nothing larger than a Glock 19. Soldiers are burdened with too much already, and 9mm FMJ doesn't get better performance from a 5" barrel over a 3.5-4" barrel.
 
I hope they go with a smaller pistol this time.....nothing larger than a Glock 19. Soldiers are burdened with too much already, and 9mm FMJ doesn't get better performance from a 5" barrel over a 3.5-4" barrel.
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Glocks are probably out because they lack a manual safety. Although I agree a G19 would make for a fine service pistol.
 
Not sure what they expect of the M&P .... it doesn't offer any significant improvement over the M9.
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It most likely offers a significant improvement from a logistics standpoint. Much less spares to stock and longer expected service life of the polymer frame compared to the aluminum frame of the M9. Replacing the M9 with a modern striker fired pistol might actually save money in the long term despite the initial up front costs of purchasing a new weapon system and retraining soldiers to use it.
 
You guys are funny, throw out a headline and watch the fish bite. Obviously if S&W and the army plus all the other vendors thought something like this would happen within many years they would be in a frenzy of design and bid submissions. Also the comment about many PD's abandoning the .40 is total conjecture without a factual foundation included. The 40 S&W has and is soldiering on with a large number of LE agencies (I am not a fan of the 40) and I have not seen or heard that they are disillusioned to the point of wanting the expense of a pistol / caliber change. So when the Army listens to me and adopts the 1911 a1 pistol all problems will vanish in a poof of cordite smoke.:D:)
 
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