The Army's New Pistol

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They should take a good hard look at the Grand Power K100's. If they have to have something American made, then they should commission Colt to make Delta Elites in 10mm again.

In my opinion, whatever the military chooses as a new firearm is extremely subjective and probably dependent on the tastes (or allegiances) of the guy who gets to choose.
 
1. I'm not convinced they need a new pistol. A new rifle system? Sure. Probably with a new standard rifle round. But pistols are so far down on the list of priorities that it almost falls under the 'don't even bother' category.

2. I'm cynical enough about Pentagon procurement that I feel like this has more to do with sending money in the direction of a particular vendor than it does with performance.

3. I think this would be the third or fourth pistol trial since 2000 - it's almost as if they've decided to keep running new trials until they get the answer they wanted in the first place.

My personal opinion, its a no brainer, H&K is the clear winner in my mind. We dont need a competition. Just need to know two letters and they are H and K.
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Oy. I usually try not to reply to trollbait, but... Oy.
 
American made S&W M&P...
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And where do you think the Beretta is made? Made here in the USA and once the military contract for the balance of 100,000 M9 are completed they will be moving to TN BECAUSE of Maryland's gun laws and attitude
 
I agree - we can't afford needed equipment. Just another pipe dream for someone.

As far as it being this or that brand, for sure - when you are an engineer, combat expert and ergonomic whiz - then your obvious opinion might have some weight.

If we debate this, let's have reasoned opinions.
 
I haven't shot the 5.7 but did notice the ammo is very expensive.Yes, mass production would help but I just think it's an expensive round to make. Also, I don't think that it's hyper velocity would be that good for close quarters where you would assume it would be used. What is it, about four time as fast as the 1911? It has been a while since I held one but I remember it feeling a little large which has always been one of the complaints about the 92. The 92 took some criticism early on because many said the 9mm bullet was too light. The 5.7 shoots a 23 grain bullet if I remember correctly. For the politics, it certainly needs to be made in the US, preferably by a US company. That contract would surely help save Colt which may not be around much longer the way things are going.
 
For the politics, it certainly needs to be made in the US, preferably by a US company.
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Call it politics, or something else, it is a long established policy that US arms need to be made in the USA. The last thing one wants in a weapon system is an interrupted supply of arms, or of vital parts. And such things can happen in time of war, to things that have to come from outside the US.

The Army may very well be testing for a new pistol, despite budget cuts. As long as the budget "pocket" with the money for testing is full, there will be testing. It doesn't matter if the pocket with the money for buying a new pistol is empty....
 
I dont know anyone who owns a Berreta and I dont see any at the stores or the shows. I dont see any at the local competitions. No one here in this forum or others argues passionately about them. No police department uses them. I dont see anyone making money selling accessories for them. It never fit my hand and the ones I used seemed shabbily built. Seems bigger than it needs to be. A bit heavy. It took me but a few minutes to realize the Beretta would not be one in my collection.

So what am I missing? Why did they choose this in the first place?
 
So what am I missing? Why did they choose this in the first place?
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I suspect someone can offer more specifics, but if I remember right it was performance and cost. Seems like Beretta was one of just a couple of guns that passed the test and then they came in with the lowest overall cost.
 
beretta won because of c.ost. HK or sig would be.great for them but both are expensive. Smith m&p will be very competitive on both cost and quality. I believe glock will win out on cost and reputation and i think it will be in. 40s&w.
 
I dont know anyone who owns a Berreta and I dont see any at the stores or the shows. I dont see any at the local competitions. No one here in this forum or others argues passionately about them. No police department uses them. I dont see anyone making money selling accessories for them. It never fit my hand and the ones I used seemed shabbily built. Seems bigger than it needs to be. A bit heavy. It took me but a few minutes to realize the Beretta would not be one in my collection.

So what am I missing? Why did they choose this in the first place?
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They were actually pretty prolific in law enforcement prior to the polymer framed revolution. There was a time when it seemed like every automatic packing cop I saw had either a 3rd generation S&W or a Beretta.
 
So what am I missing? Why did they choose this in the first place?
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It was chosen after series of test showed it could meet the government's requirements AND meet their price/prodution point. It beat out several other compeditors. That doesn't mean it was the best available at the time. It just means that it was the best of the ones submitted for test that could also meet the price and production point.
 
I dont know anyone who owns a Berreta and I dont see any at the stores or the shows.
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Now you do. I love the 92FS. It's one of the better-selling guns at my shop. Many folks like it for home defense.

I dont see any at the local competitions.
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I'm watching an IDPA match as I type this. Two guys are running the course with 92's.

No police department uses them.
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While Glock largely priced them out of the market, the M9 is an alternate gun for two local city departments.

If you don't like the Beretta, that's understandable. It doesn't work for some folks. But to say nobody likes it or uses it is an overly broad and inaccurate statement.
 
Beretta, SIG, and HK are almost equally bad choices.

We have the M9. It kinda works. While there are probably better choices the Beretta does not suck bad enough to warrant a change.
 
I do not see the U.S. Military going to a 40S&W.

I will even be surprised to see a new handgun acquisition. They probably don't even have the budget to shred all the M9's.
 
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